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Topic: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas

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847badgerfan

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #18396 on: January 27, 2023, 03:40:31 PM »
There are conspiracy theorists asserting this is the end-game of our current president...
They were right...
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #18397 on: January 27, 2023, 03:41:01 PM »
Who here thinks Sweden had the right approach?

Who thinks the "area under the curve model" is roughly accurate?


Yes.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #18398 on: January 27, 2023, 04:13:09 PM »
Who here thinks Sweden had the right approach?

Who thinks the "area under the curve model" is roughly accurate?


When Sweden initiated its strategy we were still under the thumb of the original covid and had it not mutated into a relatively harmless variety it could have gone much differently

We did not beat covid

it beat itself
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #18399 on: January 27, 2023, 05:28:31 PM »
Will we actually implement logical actions based on any of those learnings the next time a bug comes along?  I have my doubts.
While I agree the degree of risk was minimized quite early, it didn't last very long, as I recall.  I'm not sure Trump's comments early on had any impact on how it was handled.  Verbiage is usually just that, sound and fury.

I look more at actions.

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As do I.


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We've learned nothing
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #18400 on: January 27, 2023, 06:58:08 PM »

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #18401 on: January 27, 2023, 06:58:41 PM »
I think China is currently proving out the area under the curve.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #18402 on: January 27, 2023, 07:19:08 PM »

Most everything that affected our daily lives was done at the state and local levels.  If the federal government was in charge of how shutdowns happened, how long they lasted, masking protocols, etc., we wouldn't have seen such disparity in how the states handled it. 
I understand that, but while what the president says doesn't dictate state/local action, it does influence the opinions of citizens.
When there were like 15 cases, having an utter dipshit saying that number has peaked and will decrease down to zero and it'll just "go away" causes a % of the population to be woefully ill-informed.  Those people will build on such misinformation in the following years, creating an army of ignorant, vocal people who are not helpful. 
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I'll never understand people who defend a person so ignorant (not saying you are). 
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #18403 on: January 27, 2023, 07:40:12 PM »
I understand that, but while what the president says doesn't dictate state/local action, it does influence the opinions of citizens.
When there were like 15 cases, having an utter dipshit saying that number has peaked and will decrease down to zero and it'll just "go away" causes a % of the population to be woefully ill-informed.  Those people will build on such misinformation in the following years, creating an army of ignorant, vocal people who are not helpful. 
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I'll never understand people who defend a person so ignorant (not saying you are). 
Why not.  It’s the woketard playbook.    You just laid out exactly what the high level politicians did- Cuomo, Pelosi, Schumer, the dipshit mayors of NYC and Frisco, the list goes on and on.  And they all proved it when caught on camera when they didn’t know it.  And all of it facilitated by the MSM they control, and Social media.

And Play number 1 in the playbook is your post- accuse the  “other side” for exactly what you yourself are doing.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #18404 on: January 27, 2023, 07:43:32 PM »
You're right, and I said both sides were wrong.  But none of the people you listed were the president of the country.  Only 1 of those at a time.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #18405 on: January 27, 2023, 08:26:05 PM »
I think many countries around the globe have shown that it really didn't matter what president was behind the podium when the virus hit

was gonna be a shit show
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #18406 on: January 28, 2023, 01:17:12 AM »
So making demonstrably incorrect statements....meh.
Telling people no to get tested to keep the positive case total artificially low....meh.
Pressuring the CDC to make statements they knew weren't accurate....meh.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #18407 on: January 28, 2023, 07:57:27 AM »
I read back over a lot of our early postings yesterday.  "We" (and they) just didn't know very much at the time.  Sure, the politicization was unfortunate, but frankly, nobody anywhere handled this remarkably well.  As noted above, COVID was going to do its thing regardless.  We had the myth the vaccine would stop it in its tracks despite many noting the virus would mutate.  We had the early myth you could get it from food and hard surfaces.

As for who would have handled it better, I agree with the above comment that COVID was going to do its thing no matter what "we" did about it beyond perhaps changing the shape of the curve.  Germany was held out as a model to emulate but they have not done well either.  China, well, they did "flatten the curve" for a while.

What I learned I think is to protect the elderly and vulnerable as well as possible and then carry on.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #18408 on: January 28, 2023, 08:23:27 AM »
So making demonstrably incorrect statements....meh.
Telling people no to get tested to keep the positive case total artificially low....meh.
Pressuring the CDC to make statements they knew weren't accurate....meh.
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I give up. 
what politician from any country wasn't making incorrect statements?

positive case number - high or low or accurate - what difference does it make?

hah, the CDC was making plenty statements they knew weren't accurate on their own
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as we've seen around the world with a vast array of different leaders and styles, the virus was going to work out about the same regardless of political messaging
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #18409 on: January 28, 2023, 08:26:08 AM »
you may think Trump killed a bunch of people and that Obama or some liberal may have saved more

as has been mentioned - local and state leaders had a bigger impact

sending COVID patients back to nursing homes in NYC from hospitals had a more direct impact on deaths
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