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I think it's safe to assume that it was rampant, and everywhere.

I'm sure it's still going on. The state of emergency needs to end. It's not that anymore, and it hasn't been for well over a year, at least.

All of you fools can enjoy your echo chamber here, but keep in mind that it's only the slightest bit warranted post the 2nd summer of it, okay?  
The novelty of it made it vital to be extra cautious and producing the vaccines in a quicker, alternate way did save lives.  
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My takeaway from the whole damn thing is that this was a relatively mild practice run on how we fare vs. pandemics and we failed in every conceivable way.  
It's not a right vs wrong or political thing, it's a total failure of preparedness, response, and attitude.

I knew something was askew when by the end of January of 2020 everyone knew there was some sort of Pox about. By March Big Pharma(Pfizer,Moderna,BioNTECH) where advertising their wares "Studies have shown the effectiveness of out vaccine....". I'm thinking really? The same studies that were suppose to take 7 years for clearance - or used to. Don't piss down our backs and tell us it's raining. I'll bet half of capitol hill had money in them

Do you mean Jan. 2021, around the time the vaccines came out?  

They're obviously flubbing, but my guess is they're basing it on the fact the mRNA "technology" used in the vaccines was not "new."  They've been testing that for a number of years now, its end-to-end process and effectiveness was not an unknown.  But it had not yet been used in the revolution/update of any existing vaccines, for whatever reasons.  I'm guessing that's what they meant when referring to "studies" and "effectiveness".....assuming they weren't outright lying.  

That said, there is no substitute for real-world use over a period of years.  It's tempting to say "no substitute for valid clinical trials" but drugs, etc. get recalled all the time for stuff that made it through clinical trials, and oops, looks like it's killing people with conditions X, Y, or Z, let's not sell that anymore.  

I'm not an anti-vaxxer, btw.  Far from it.*  But I do think the rush to crown the covid vaccines as must-have, can't-miss, this will save us all, you must inject this into your body and your employees, was medically unwarranted, not to mention a serious gub'ment overreach.  


*If I had a stance on the covid vax it would be that it significantly reduces risk of needing hospitalization and/or death, but that it's kinda crap at reducing your chances of actually getting it.  ymmv.  I'm not a scientist or a medical professional.  

All of you fools can enjoy your echo chamber here, but keep in mind that it's only the slightest bit warranted post the 2nd summer of it, okay? 
The novelty of it made it vital to be extra cautious and producing the vaccines in a quicker, alternate way did save lives. 
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My takeaway from the whole damn thing is that this was a relatively mild practice run on how we fare vs. pandemics and we failed in every conceivable way. 
It's not a right vs wrong or political thing, it's a total failure of preparedness, response, and attitude.

I mostly agree with this.

Even though I evolved my view on all this over time (I mean, I think that's the right thing to do.....more data comes in....my opinion might need to change), I started out in the mega-cautious camp.  We really did have no idea what this thing could/would do when it hit.  There's also something called a cytokine storm that was a major risk factor for the general population even if we always knew the new virus wasn't very bad, just due it's novelty, as you say.  

I was okay with precautions and changing some things for a while.  I just quickly started disagreeing with how various states/local authorities handled many things, and still continue to.  

I don't remember how long it took me to roll my eyes at the whole thing and wish everybody would settle down about it, but it was prior to the end of 2020.  The doc I work for happens to also be our county health authority and she dumps all her 2nd job crap on us sometimes, so I got a continually updated look at the CDC info and stats from our area.  Plus I got to watch our patients of all different ages with various types of diseases respond to covid when they got it.  That's hardly the sample size you're looking for when doing any real research, but it was enough for me to quit worrying about it fairly early on.  Inasmuch as I don't worry about the flu, I mean.  Not saying it's not a real thing with disastrous consequences for some people.  My aunt died of the damn thing, I'd probably still have her today if she'd gotten the stoopid vaccine.  She was high-risk, tho.  

Do you mean Jan. 2021, around the time the vaccines came out?

no I mean 2020 there were some snake oil being bantered about they were releasing. My neighbors did some unconventional  practice/procedure that actually seemed to work.I've never had it but I can only recall getting the flu once as an adult,so....... I got it from staying with mom in the hospital after she broke her hip I was there with siblings rotating everyday for weeks. I'd recommend Mr Beam's elixir to anyone who would listen & give it a try