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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #18326 on: January 24, 2023, 08:46:33 AM »
Does he wear a face diaper while out for a run on a hot day?
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #18327 on: January 24, 2023, 08:48:53 AM »
Not anymore but he definitely held onto the pandemic-related practices longer than many.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #18328 on: January 24, 2023, 08:50:10 AM »
I see some people doing that here now. Of course, they just arrived from NY, IL, MI, etc.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #18329 on: January 24, 2023, 08:55:16 AM »
At last night's boy scout meeting for my son's troop, we had the entire Webelo den from our associated cub scout pack in attendance.  They'll be moving up from cub scouts to boy scouts next month so this was kind of an introductory meeting, or even more accurately, a recruiting meeting.

So the parents and their boys were all in attendance, and one of the boys had a mask on, and so did both of his parents.  I realized just how unusual that is now, in my part of the country.  I occasionally see someone masked up at the grocery store or the Home Depot and whatnot, but to see an entire family all masked up was unusual.

Our town is very carefree so nobody considered it a big deal or even worth mentioning, but it was unusual for the current climate, and that's what struck me.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #18330 on: January 24, 2023, 09:04:11 AM »
I noted some older folks in Florida wearing masks (outdoors).  I can understand they motivations even though I think it is a waste of effort.

Folks around here (home) tend to be younger, I rarely see anyone with a mask, indoors or out.  Have at it.  I understand it's common practice in many Asian societies evern before 2020.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #18331 on: January 24, 2023, 09:48:44 AM »
to see an entire family all masked up was unusual.

would be interesting to know why?

Did someone in the family come down with symptoms recently, did someone test positive?
Trying to protect the group

or trying to protect themselves
anti-vaxers or just maskers

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #18332 on: January 24, 2023, 10:09:53 AM »
For some, it's a political statement, nothing else.

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« Reply #18333 on: January 24, 2023, 10:21:42 AM »
would be interesting to know why?

Did someone in the family come down with symptoms recently, did someone test positive?
Trying to protect the group

or trying to protect themselves
anti-vaxers or just maskers

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I only spoke to them a little bit, but if I had to guess, I'd say they were probably being cautious, maybe have an older relative living with them?

Or maybe they all have really ugly mouths and masks have been the perfect way to hide that, over the past 3 years?


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #18334 on: January 24, 2023, 01:11:13 PM »
We'll wear them if we know we're going to have to be near people and are exhibiting symptoms without the benefit of a negative test.  Which is basically never, and I don't think we've ever had to do it.  

And we'd do it for others, not to protect ourselves, which is all masks were ever supposed to do in the first place.  

They do have some level of effectiveness in slowing the spread.  Vaguely amuses me to see conservative media repeat that masks have been shown to be ineffective, as if they have zero impact.  Not the impact Fauci et al wanted us to believe, or even close.  But not zero impact.  

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #18335 on: January 24, 2023, 09:02:17 PM »
it's obviously not zero and not 100%

it would be nice to have good data as how effective at 6 feet for less than 30 seconds or some other real world situations

but, obviously there's no money to be made with that info
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #18336 on: January 25, 2023, 08:04:06 AM »
There are various studies on masking out there using different exposure types, generally they involve a lot of folks in presumably "normal" exposure situations or in hospitals, and the fidelity of masks being worn in that group can be suspect.  I've looked at a number of them and I THINK masks are very modestly effective at preventing transmission, e.g., given a thousand people in a situation, if ten are infected and wearing a mask, maybe they infect 25 people over a set time period, and unmasked folks infect 50.  Of course, the situations will vary a lot, so you need a large population to ferret out a smallish benefit.

As far as preventing a healthy person from contrating COVID, the figures are much closer to zero.  (I made up the 25 and 50 merely for illustration).

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #18338 on: January 25, 2023, 08:30:59 AM »
I tested myself this week and came out negative, as I suspected.

We were in Cabo and I got really sick - worst I've felt in years and years. We were there 10 days and I spent 6 of them in bed. Messaged my doctor and he told me to go find a ZPAC, which is OTC in Mexico. Did that and it started to clear. Lungs, sinus, ears, eyes - all had stuff coming out/up. Brown stuff. Nasty.

Figured it wasn't Covid since the antibiotic worked.

Would much rather have Covid than what I went through down there.
Maybe a coincidence, maybe not, but I got to thinking and my infection started just two days after being forced to wear a mask in Costco for 1.5 hours.

(Yes, they are still masking in Cabo)

Hmmm.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #18339 on: January 25, 2023, 11:32:45 AM »
There are various studies on masking out there using different exposure types, generally they involve a lot of folks in presumably "normal" exposure situations or in hospitals, and the fidelity of masks being worn in that group can be suspect.  I've looked at a number of them and I THINK masks are very modestly effective at preventing transmission, e.g., given a thousand people in a situation, if ten are infected and wearing a mask, maybe they infect 25 people over a set time period, and unmasked folks infect 50.  Of course, the situations will vary a lot, so you need a large population to ferret out a smallish benefit.

As far as preventing a healthy person from contrating COVID, the figures are much closer to zero.  (I made up the 25 and 50 merely for illustration).

My understanding is within the 6ish foot distance rule, time is the most relevant factor.  The longer an infected person talks in the direction of someone, the more viral load the other person is breathing in.  

Contracting the virus is not a all-or-nothing event, viral load is very important.  i.e., someone may have breathed their covid cooties on you, but only for a few seconds, so you actually "get" it, but your immune system kicks it back before you ever even knew you had it.  Otoh, if they talk in your face for 10 minutes or 30 minutes, you've taken in a much greater viral load and may get sick.

This extends to how severely people get sick (and how they handle it depends on other health risks and factors, obviously).  Your body may handle covid the same each time, but if you contracted a small viral load, maybe you don't get too bad while you're sick.  Or if you take in a huge viral load, you may get very sick.  

Masks are intended to reduce the viral load spread, and have some effectiveness in that regard.  Whether or not it actually makes a difference depends on a ton of other variables.  

 

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