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Topic: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #17626 on: March 09, 2022, 04:46:54 PM »
I'd opine the purpose of the study was to evaluate who was vaccine resistant, and why, and what other cofactors relate to that, and the impact of such resistance.

I don't think it relates to human rights that I can discern.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #17627 on: March 09, 2022, 04:52:18 PM »
I'd opine the purpose of the study was to evaluate who was vaccine resistant, and why, and what other cofactors relate to that, and the impact of such resistance.

I don't think it relates to human rights that I can discern.
I think the typical Trump supporter feels they have the freedom to not get the shots if thats their wish

This is a completely different view presented in liberal media

Yes I would believe Trump supporters were more resistant to getting the shots

so what at the end of the day what message does this create because thats the real purpose of the study
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #17628 on: March 09, 2022, 04:58:06 PM »
Folks have the choice not to get the vaccine, generally speaking, Trump supporters make that choice more often than Biden voters.  Each group has the same exact set of "rights".  I find it fascinating, others may not.


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #17629 on: March 09, 2022, 04:58:53 PM »
The indication is that Trump supporters are much more vaccine resistant than Biden supporters, as indicated by reported higher COVID death totals for Trump supporters.

Now there could be other factors, Trump supporters tend to be older, and we know age is a primary "cofactor" for COVID deaths.  But has been reported elsewhere that Trump supporters are much more vaccine resistant than Biden voters.  Trump even was booed at an event for saying he'd gotten his third shot.
I think vaccination is probably the primary factor.

One additional confounding variable, however, is that the reddest of the red areas are also most likely to be extraordinarily rural, and those areas tend to be more underserved when it comes to hospital / ICU / extreme medical assistance. 

https://www.ruralhealthinfo.org/topics/healthcare-access

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Distance and Transportation

Rural populations are more likely to have to travel long distances to access healthcare services, particularly subspecialist services. This can be a significant burden in terms of travel time, cost, and time away from the workplace. In addition, the lack of reliable transportation is a barrier to care. In urban areas, public transit is generally an option for patients to get to medical appointments; however, these transportation services are often lacking in rural areas. Rural communities often have more elderly residents who have chronic conditions requiring multiple visits to outpatient healthcare facilities. This becomes challenging without available public or private transportation. RHIhub's Transportation to Support Rural Healthcare topic guide provides resources and information about transportation and related issues for rural communities.

And to expand on their point about having "more elderly residents", there's this: https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2019/10/older-population-in-rural-america.html


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A new report, The Older Population in Rural America: 2012-2016, shows that 17.5% of the rural population was 65 years and older compared to 13.8% in urban areas.
It makes sense with the urbanification of the United States over time... People who grew up, lived, and worked in rural areas also got old there. Young people who were born in rural areas but later moved to urban areas for economic opportunity then skewed the demographics--by leaving the rural areas it skews rural areas as older, and by moving to cities it skews urban areas as younger. 

So there's a fair bit to unpack.

I'd say vaccine rates are likely to be the major differentiator. But nothing that I can see suggests that they tried to control for the age range of the counties studied, so it would adversely affect rural counties. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #17630 on: March 09, 2022, 05:00:24 PM »
I'd like to see the data - all of it - used in this study.

Just thinking out loud here.

Where do older people go to retire?

Ummm... red states. But, there are a lot of older retired D's in red states too.

Emphasis on older people. 


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #17631 on: March 09, 2022, 05:03:29 PM »
I've seen other studies showing Trump supporters to be more vaccine resistant.  As I noted, they also are older in general, and that is a factor.

This is why Trump got booed by his own crowd.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #17632 on: March 09, 2022, 05:07:05 PM »
I've seen other studies showing Trump supporters to be more vaccine resistant.  As I noted, they also are older in general, and that is a factor.

This is why Trump got booed by his own crowd.
yeah...which was always weird as hell to me. Trump fast tracked the vaccines- so of course he took credit for them and touted the "tremendous" "excellent" "tremendous" job he did in helping get a vaccine to market in record time.

He said he got the vaccines himself and was boosted, and he encouraged everyone to- and he still got booed by his own crowds and stupid people in the media still blamed him for his voters being vaccine hesitant. 

That was one of the really weird things about COVID to me- the politicization of it all. And it was super weird to me that Trump touted the vaccines- got shit on by his own voters for doing so- and got labeled by media as anti-vax. propaganda is strong af these days. words almost have no meaning anymore.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #17633 on: March 09, 2022, 06:19:34 PM »
Deer in study show 'stunning' rate of COVID. How'd they get it? What's it mean? : Goats and Soda : NPR
Deer in study show 'stunning' rate of COVID. How'd they get it? What's it mean? : Goats and Soda : NPR

This strikes me as potentially really really bad news.  Twenty percent.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #17634 on: March 09, 2022, 06:31:14 PM »
I'm not overly worried about Deerona.  When the Zombie Deer Uprising occurs, I own several excellent rifles that will help take care of them.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #17635 on: March 09, 2022, 06:39:15 PM »
The transportation issue for rural people is bullshit - they "go to town" every so often to buy food and other things to keep them alive.  Adding a vaccination appointment is nothing.  

Let's not pretend these people hitch-hike to the big city or have the Army air-drop food and medicine once a month to them.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #17636 on: March 09, 2022, 06:40:24 PM »
I heard they do have a tough time making photo copies though.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #17637 on: March 09, 2022, 06:41:40 PM »
That was one of the really weird things about COVID to me- the politicization of it all. And it was super weird to me that Trump touted the vaccines- got shit on by his own voters for doing so- and got labeled by media as anti-vax. propaganda is strong af these days. words almost have no meaning anymore.
Yeah.
If a group of people are hell-bent on doing the opposite of whatever you say, use that, right?

Stay uneducated!!!
Continue mistrusting experts!!!
Statistics are made up!!!
Keep voting against your own self-interests with an ideology you don't actually adhere to!!!


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #17638 on: March 09, 2022, 07:05:27 PM »
The transportation issue for rural people is bullshit - they "go to town" every so often to buy food and other things to keep them alive.  Adding a vaccination appointment is nothing. 

Let's not pretend these people hitch-hike to the big city or have the Army air-drop food and medicine once a month to them.
My point was more along the lines of people who probably got COVID, waited too long to seek treatment at all, and then went to rural hospitals without tremendous ICU experience with staffing, ventilators, and knowledge to treat them appropriately. And consequently had higher mortality as a result. 

Granted, on top of it many of them didn't want the vaccine, not that they couldn't make or attend an appointment for one. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #17639 on: March 09, 2022, 07:05:34 PM »
I fear if it's in deer it can rattle around in that population for a while and then zoonose its way back into ours with a new variant.

 

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