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Mdot21 · « **Reply #17556 on:** March 01, 2022, 01:49:59 PM »

Quote from: utee94 on March 01, 2022, 01:25:45 PM

I cast doubt on anything cited by CNN, same as I would cast doubt on anything cited by Fox. Just two cheerleaders for different teams.

That doesn't mean that whatever they're pimping is illegitimate of course. Obviously their agendas are even better served if there is (at least partial) truth to what they choose to report.

As always I reserve the right to read it and make up my own mind.

this all day.

CNN does some great reporting, sometimes. I think Jake Tapper has done some really good stuff. Sometimes. Fox has done some great reporting sometimes as well.

I think it's probably great to consume as much of everything as possible, try to look at everything from as many sides as you can, and then filter out the bs and think for yourself and make up your own mind.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #17557 on:** March 01, 2022, 01:53:08 PM »

When CNN cites some publication, the publication is real, preprint or not. They often choose to cite it because it fits their messaging, just as Fox News will ignore it, fine.

But the preprints are real. And I personally have zero problems reading a preprint or considering the information therein. After peer review and publication, I HOPE it's more authentic, but I understand it may well still be flawed research. Peer review means someone reads the paper and makes comments, they CANNOT investigate what actually was done, the thing COULD be entirely dry labbed, a peer reviewer would have a tough time spotting that.

847badgerfan · « **Reply #17558 on:** March 01, 2022, 01:53:20 PM »

The problem with any cable news show now is that they are all editorials. You have to sift through that crap and understand what the FACTS are, rather than some dickwad's opinion.

utee94 · « **Reply #17559 on:** March 01, 2022, 02:17:21 PM »

Quote from: 847badgerfan on March 01, 2022, 01:53:20 PM

The problem with any cable news show now is that they are all editorials. You have to sift through that crap and understand what the FACTS are, rather than some dickwad's opinion.

Yup. And if something is being cited as supporting evidence for an editorial piece-- which is basically everything on cable news-- then I'm automatically suspicious of it.

Decades of editorial abuse by the free press has resulted in this reaction.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #17560 on:** March 01, 2022, 02:25:29 PM »

If CNN reports say stock prices, I believe them. If they report some preprints, I believe they exist. Much of what they report is simply factual information.

Far too much is not, IMHO, but it's easy to spot. They've taken to labeling OPINION as "ANALYSIS", which is really opinion.

But I personally won't discount a factual report from CNN just because it's CNN, or anyone else, any more than I will denigrate preprints because they have yet to be peer reviewed. It's information, it may be flawed, but it's information.

What too many do is disdain information they don't agree with, and latch on to sketchiness that they do believe.

betarhoalphadelta · « **Reply #17561 on:** March 01, 2022, 02:51:02 PM »

It's the way the world works these days...

Studies that I disagree with aren't valid if they're reported by someone I don't like, or are still in preprint mode and haven't cleared peer review. If they clear peer review, they're probably biased and funded by shady sources. So I don't have to pay attention.

Youtubers, podcasters, and conspiracy theorists who make points I agree with are trustworthy, because they're outside the corrupted establishment that is designed to deceive us. Their independence is the only way they can speak truth to power.

longhorn320 · « **Reply #17562 on:** March 01, 2022, 03:03:05 PM »

CD youre making too much of this CNN thing

I for one have never criticized the validity of these 3 studies because of CNN

Im simply saying that to believe covid19 came from animals and not man created

is a big change of view from what leading scientists have been suggesting

now these studies may be dead on accurate and Rocky the squirrel may be the culprit

here but because Im really at a loss to understand how these studies were carried out Id like the experts to render an opinion before I jump on that band wagon

utee94 · « **Reply #17563 on:** March 01, 2022, 03:09:13 PM »

Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on March 01, 2022, 02:51:02 PM

It's the way the world works these days...

Studies that I disagree with aren't valid if they're reported by someone I don't like, or are still in preprint mode and haven't cleared peer review. If they clear peer review, they're probably biased and funded by shady sources. So I don't have to pay attention.

Youtubers, podcasters, and conspiracy theorists who make points I agree with are trustworthy, because they're outside the corrupted establishment that is designed to deceive us. Their independence is the only way they can speak truth to power.

Nah, I don't believe them, either.

Mdot21 · « **Reply #17564 on:** March 01, 2022, 03:10:32 PM »

should be required reading in high schools...might wind up with a citizenry actually capable of developing critical thinking skills.

https://www.amazon.com/Manufacturing-Consent-Political-Economy-Media/dp/0375714499

90+% of all US mass media (which includes news) is owned/controlled by like 5 or 6 mega-corporations. It's something nuts like that. That is truly astonishing. And kind of terrifying.

US propaganda system is one of the most effective in the entire world, and it's designed to make the US the good guys, always- no matter what- the benevolent, peaceful empire- and to ingrain into the mind of the populace that are being propagandized the authority of institutions. When in reality, the US is virtually no different than any Imperial power that has come before it and said institutions are just made up of ordinary, regular ass people- who are capable of lying, cheating, stealing and can be corrupted by power like any other ordinary, regular ass person.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #17565 on:** March 01, 2022, 03:13:35 PM »

Quote from: longhorn320 on March 01, 2022, 03:03:05 PM

CD youre making too much of this CNN thing

I for one have never criticized the validity of these 3 studies because of CNN

Im simply saying that to believe covid19 came from animals and not man created

is a big change of view from what leading scientists have been suggesting

now these studies may be dead on accurate and Rocky the squirrel may be the culprit

here but because Im really at a loss to understand how these studies were carried out Id like the experts to render an opinion before I jump on that band wagon

I won't jump on this bandwagon even if the studies survive peer review and are published in Nature.

And I believe most virologists believe COVID is zoonotic and natural, at least most that I have read about and heard from. Badger posted that he wouldn't believe it because it was cited by CNN. Others said they stopped reading when it said not peer reviewed.

Mdot21 · « **Reply #17566 on:** March 01, 2022, 03:27:54 PM »

Quote from: Cincydawg on March 01, 2022, 03:13:35 PM

I won't jump on this bandwagon even if the studies survive peer review and are published in Nature.

And I believe most virologists believe COVID is zoonotic and natural, at least most that I have read about and heard from. Badger posted that he wouldn't believe it because it was cited by CNN. Others said they stopped reading when it said not peer reviewed.

Yeah and a lot of them don't. There is no consensus on this. To pretend there is, is well, not true.

Including the last head of the CDC to be a trained virologist (the current CDC heads background is in internal medicine) - Robert R. Redfield - who has seen intelligence and information- that none of the other virologists that you have read or heard have seen- and is of the opinion that this virus leaked from a lab. Speaking of CNN - that was a great piece of reporting done by - well not a reporter- but a medical doctor - Dr. Sanjay Gupta. Gupta has even said there is probably something to this - and that Redfield without a doubt has seen things that the public has not.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #17567 on:** March 01, 2022, 03:36:37 PM »

I didn't say there was a consensus, only that most virologists I've read believe it is naturally occurring. I am aware that some have disagreed. I don't think they vote on such things. I personally don't know either way.

Why many scientists say it’s unlikely that SARS-CoV-2 originated from a ‘lab leak’ | Science | AAAS

Obviously, the virology is well beyond my understanding and knowledge, so I'm left depending on "expert opinion". I still like my notion a bit and have never seen that option discussed.

betarhoalphadelta · « **Reply #17568 on:** March 01, 2022, 03:37:40 PM »

Quote from: Mdot21 on March 01, 2022, 03:27:54 PM

There is no consensus on this. To pretend there is, is well, not true.

Agreed. This was largely posted without I think assuming the answer was lab or zoonotic, but 320 suggested that this is going against a consensus position that it was lab.

I honestly don't know which, and I don't think there is a consensus position. So posting the new studies suggesting a natural source is relevant and newsworthy.

longhorn320 · « **Reply #17569 on:** March 01, 2022, 03:43:46 PM »

It seems a bit fishy to me to attribute covid19 coming from some animal from a Chinese meat market that just happens to be fairly close to a lab that was being funded to work on viruses

I normally dont believe in coincidences and this is no exception

again they have bever positively identified the animal or even a type of animal and no other instances have been documented

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