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MrNubbz · « **Reply #17500 on:** February 23, 2022, 11:51:34 AM »

Quote from: Cincydawg on February 23, 2022, 10:54:05 AM

I disagree that vaccinated people spread it as much as unvaxxed. I can't see how that is true at all.

Vaccinated folks who contracted COVID can spread it, but fewer get COVID.

Now that I'm vaxed I can honestly say,many of "us" appear to have left our guard down thinking that "we" have a leg up

Mdot21 · « **Reply #17501 on:** February 23, 2022, 12:23:15 PM »

Quote from: Cincydawg on February 23, 2022, 10:54:05 AM

I disagree that vaccinated people spread it as much as unvaxxed. I can't see how that is true at all.

Vaccinated folks who contracted COVID can spread it, but fewer get COVID.

A vaccinated person who has become infected spreads it no differently than an infected person who has not been vaccinated.

This past November the WHO, said vaccines were 60 percent protective against spreading the virus prior to the arrival of delta. That number dropped to 40 percent post-Delta. Omicron has worsened the problem and dropped that number way lower no doubt as it is far more transmissible and has a way increase in immune escape- which has lead to more infections - and once infected - vaccinated spread covid same as unvaccinated.

Israeli study showed that even a 4th shot of the vaccine is basically hopeless vs preventing Omicron infection....you know....the most dominant strain in the world these past few months.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #17502 on:** February 23, 2022, 12:30:34 PM »

Booster Shots 90% Effective at Preventing Omicron Hospitalizations: CDC Data (webmd.com)

Do mRNA Boosters Protect Against Omicron? (verywellhealth.com)

No Omicron immunity without booster, study finds – Harvard Gazette

I'd opine the data show the booster offers decent protection against Omicron, at least shorter term, but yes, as I said, a breakthrough infection will be contagious.

longhorn320 · « **Reply #17503 on:** February 23, 2022, 12:43:03 PM »

Quote from: Cincydawg on February 23, 2022, 12:30:34 PM

Booster Shots 90% Effective at Preventing Omicron Hospitalizations: CDC Data (webmd.com)

Do mRNA Boosters Protect Against Omicron? (verywellhealth.com)

No Omicron immunity without booster, study finds – Harvard Gazette

I'd opine the data show the booster offers decent protection against Omicron, at least shorter term, but yes, as I said, a breakthrough infection will be contagious.

are they saying a booster gives you more immunity against omicron then those that have actually had the virus

Im kinda skeptical if so

Cincydawg · « **Reply #17504 on:** February 23, 2022, 12:49:51 PM »

Quote from: longhorn320 on February 23, 2022, 12:43:03 PM

are they saying a booster gives you more immunity against omicron then those that have actually had the virus

Im kinda skeptical if so

I don't think that is known either way at this point, Omicron is too recent for studies I suspect.

I would guess immunity from having had it is stronger than from the three shots, but that is a guess.

longhorn320 · « **Reply #17505 on:** February 23, 2022, 12:57:49 PM »

Quote from: Cincydawg on February 23, 2022, 12:49:51 PM

I don't think that is known either way at this point, Omicron is too recent for studies I suspect.

I would guess immunity from having had it is stronger than from the three shots, but that is a guess.

I would be willing to bet the CDC has plenty of data on this but wont publish it

omicron has been around world wide for at least 3 months

a simple test for antibodies would at least show the results for the first 90 days

Mdot21 · « **Reply #17506 on:** February 23, 2022, 01:05:11 PM »

Quote from: Cincydawg on February 23, 2022, 12:30:34 PM

Booster Shots 90% Effective at Preventing Omicron Hospitalizations: CDC Data (webmd.com)

Do mRNA Boosters Protect Against Omicron? (verywellhealth.com)

No Omicron immunity without booster, study finds – Harvard Gazette

I'd opine the data show the booster offers decent protection against Omicron, at least shorter term, but yes, as I said, a breakthrough infection will be contagious.

yeah ok, except we were not talking about preventing hospitalizations. we were talking about infection/spread.

You're risk of hospitalization from Omicron without being vaccinated is low as is. A 90% reduction in that risk is great- and obviously age and weight have a lot to do with serious complications from this virus- but most peoples risk is already extremely low from being hospitalized from Omicron infection even if unvaccinated. An unvaccinated persons chances of being hospitalized with COVID is less than 1% (.89%).

https://news.gallup.com/opinion/gallup/354938/adults-estimates-covid-hospitalization-risk.aspx

https://nypost.com/2022/01/18/fourth-covid-vaccine-still-doesnt-stop-omicron-israeli-study/

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-risk-of-vaccinated-covid-transmission-is-not-low/

longhorn320 · « **Reply #17507 on:** February 23, 2022, 01:11:04 PM »

Heres something on this subject which you might find interesting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMsAJzwKwVY

Mdot21 · « **Reply #17508 on:** February 23, 2022, 02:12:46 PM »

CDC withholding booster data...hmmm...wonder why lol?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xo-xJH_u7Mk

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10537161/CDC-refusing-publish-data-collected-booster-effectiveness-aged-18-49.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/20/health/covid-cdc-data.html
https://nypost.com/2022/02/22/cdc-withholding-covid-data-over-fears-of-misinterpretation/

betarhoalphadelta · « **Reply #17509 on:** February 23, 2022, 02:17:07 PM »

Quote from: longhorn320 on February 23, 2022, 12:57:49 PM

a simple test for antibodies would at least show the results for the first 90 days

IMHO antibody tests are probably not really conclusive either way... What we saw with Omicron is that an infection can take hold even if you have some level of antibodies in your system. Showing that you still have antibodies circulating hasn't seemed to keep people from getting infected with Omicron.

Perhaps if natural infection resulted in MUCH higher and more persistent antibody LEVELS over time, it would at least be suggestive that it offers more protection than vaccine-derived or potentially Delta/Alpha/OG-Strain natural infection, there's something there. But it may not be conclusive.

longhorn320 · « **Reply #17510 on:** February 23, 2022, 02:22:29 PM »

Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on February 23, 2022, 02:17:07 PM

IMHO antibody tests are probably not really conclusive either way... What we saw with Omicron is that an infection can take hold even if you have some level of antibodies in your system. Showing that you still have antibodies circulating hasn't seemed to keep people from getting infected with Omicron.

Perhaps if natural infection resulted in MUCH higher and more persistent antibody LEVELS over time, it would at least be suggestive that it offers more protection than vaccine-derived or potentially Delta/Alpha/OG-Strain natural infection, there's something there. But it may not be conclusive.

everyone knows you can get omicron even if you had delta or the vacs Im talking about antibodies from omicron which does a very good job of preventing serious cases of delta and omicron

Cincydawg · « **Reply #17511 on:** February 23, 2022, 05:14:46 PM »

CDC updates guidance for intervals between COVID-19 vaccine doses | TheHill

Cincydawg · « **Reply #17512 on:** February 23, 2022, 05:18:39 PM »

Booster Vaccination to Reduce SARS-CoV-2 Transmission and Infection | Infectious Diseases | JAMA | JAMA Network

FearlessF · « **Reply #17513 on:** February 24, 2022, 09:10:28 PM »

As of 2020, the World Health Organization (WHO) has only declared two diseases as eradicated by humans: Smallpox and the veterinary virus Rinderpest. Provided by American Society for Microbiology

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