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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #17458 on: February 18, 2022, 03:11:34 PM »
Of course.

And private citizens can choose who they want to patronize with their wallets of course.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #17459 on: February 18, 2022, 03:14:39 PM »
yep have no problem with private mandates
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #17460 on: February 18, 2022, 03:21:23 PM »
I recall when smoking was a divider, restaurants would have sections for both, though it was almost as absurd as an airliner with a smoking section.  Our restaurant in Cincy was nonsmoking from the start and it limited business somewhat.  I can imagine some preferring fully vaxxed venues and others preferring the other.

I suppose it's a bit like seatbelt laws in one sense.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #17461 on: February 18, 2022, 03:35:10 PM »
My first flights from USA to Europe still had smoking sections.  It was pretty awful.

In the USA at least, for the example of cruise lines specifically, I'd expect a company-enabled vaccine mandate to diminish customer demand fairly significantly.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #17462 on: February 19, 2022, 01:31:39 AM »
There are a lot of older people who go on cruises who would not go if exposure to unvaccinated cruisers was involved. Perhaps we need COVID cruises and VACCINATED cruises. I would guess it would be more difficult to recruit employees to work on the COVID cruises.
Cruise lines would probably have to pay the employees more, charge more, and expect to be turned away at ports for COVID cruises when infections break-out.
Maybe things will change now that Omicron has moved through, but I suspect the elderly will in general be more hesitant to cruise. And since they often pay for their extended families to cruise with them, there will be fewer cruisers. We are in a bad place, but maybe it will improve.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #17463 on: February 19, 2022, 06:39:45 AM »
We did a transatlantic from Lisbon to Miami in November. Had to be vaccinated.

We have a Key West and Bahama cruise coming up in April. Requires vaccination.

Seems kinda silly at this point, knowing that vaccinated people can spread just as well as unvaccinated people.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #17464 on: February 19, 2022, 07:05:06 AM »
COVID-19 takes serious toll on heart health—a full year after recovery | Science | AAAS

 In an analysis of more than 11 million U.S. veterans’ health records, researchers found the risk of 20 different heart and vessel maladies was substantially increased in veterans who had COVID-19 1 year earlier, compared with those who didn’t. The risk rose with severity of initial disease and extended to every outcome the team examined, including heart attacks, arrhythmias, strokes, cardiac arrest, and more. Even people who never went to the hospital had more cardiovascular disease than those who were never infected.

The results are “stunning … worse than I expected, for sure,” says Eric Topol, a cardiologist at Scripps Research. “All of these are very serious disorders. … If anybody ever thought that COVID was like the flu this should be one of the most powerful data sets to point out it’s not.” He adds that the new study “may be the most impressive Long Covid paper we have seen to date.”
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #17465 on: February 19, 2022, 07:11:18 AM »
From last week:



Here is your lag in reporting of deaths. From yesterday:

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #17466 on: February 19, 2022, 07:13:01 AM »
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #17467 on: February 19, 2022, 07:15:10 AM »
Just how the virus causes long-term damage to the heart and blood vessels remains a matter of debate and active research. One possible mechanism is inflammation of the endothelial cells that line the inside of the heart and blood vessels, Al-Aly says. But the researchers also include a laundry list of potential mechanisms, including lingering damage from direct viral invasion of the heart muscle; elevated levels of proinflammatory chemical messengers called cytokines that lead to scarring of the heart; and persistent virus in sites not effectively dealt with by the immune system. “The putative mechanistic pathways are still in the realm of speculation or hypothesis,” Al-Aly says.

Interesting because the vaccine can cause myocarditis in young men (mostly) perhaps due to a cytokine explosion.  That would tie two things together, perhaps.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #17468 on: February 19, 2022, 09:16:13 AM »
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #17469 on: February 19, 2022, 09:20:14 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on February 19, 2022, 07:05:06 AM
COVID-19 takes serious toll on heart health—a full year after recovery | Science | AAAS

In an analysis of more than 11 million U.S. veterans’ health records, researchers found the risk of 20 different heart and vessel maladies was substantially increased in veterans who had COVID-19 1 year earlier, compared with those who didn’t. The risk rose with severity of initial disease and extended to every outcome the team examined, including heart attacks, arrhythmias, strokes, cardiac arrest, and more. Even people who never went to the hospital had more cardiovascular disease than those who were never infected.

The results are “stunning … worse than I expected, for sure,” says Eric Topol, a cardiologist at Scripps Research. “All of these are very serious disorders. … If anybody ever thought that COVID was like the flu this should be one of the most powerful data sets to point out it’s not.” He adds that the new study “may be the most impressive Long Covid paper we have seen to date.”

Thank God we dont have delta to worry about any more
Im sure the above study would find a much better finding with omicron
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #17470 on: February 19, 2022, 10:12:29 AM »
Quote from: Hawkinole on February 19, 2022, 01:31:39 AM
There are a lot of older people who go on cruises who would not go if exposure to unvaccinated cruisers was involved. Perhaps we need COVID cruises and VACCINATED cruises. I would guess it would be more difficult to recruit employees to work on the COVID cruises.
Cruise lines would probably have to pay the employees more, charge more, and expect to be turned away at ports for COVID cruises when infections break-out.
Maybe things will change now that Omicron has moved through, but I suspect the elderly will in general be more hesitant to cruise. And since they often pay for their extended families to cruise with them, there will be fewer cruisers. We are in a bad place, but maybe it will improve.
I think there's probably some segment of the market that's older people who are concerned with vaccination.

I think in general the target demographic of the American cruise industry, is not particularly concerned with vaccination, regardless of age.  And a lot of them are actively and vocally anti-vax.

My 80yo parents are big into cruising, and they're both vaccinated and boosted, but they'd most likely actively choose the anti-vax cruise line for their own personal beliefs about freedom and mandates.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #17471 on: February 19, 2022, 11:05:03 AM »
I decided I would never do a US cruise again.  We're doing Europe, and in a year, one from Abu Dabi to Athens, Greece.  

I find the European cruises to have a very different clientel from the US.
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