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Topic: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #17444 on: February 18, 2022, 10:07:41 AM »
As often is the case, one has competing studies.  From what I've read, overall, a third dose provides meaningful protection against Omicron, at least for a few months.

The UK uses a different vaccine.

Effectiveness of COVID-19 vaccines against Omicron or Delta infection | medRxiv

Conclusions Two doses of COVID-19 vaccines are unlikely to protect against infection by Omicron. A third dose provides some protection in the immediate term, but substantially less than against Delta. Our results may be confounded by behaviours that we were unable to account for in our analyses. Further research is needed to examine protection against severe outcomes.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #17445 on: February 18, 2022, 10:11:48 AM »
There's also a difference in the basis of the study or research.

The ones that simply measure antibody response levels aren't of much interest to me, without correlation to physical outcomes.

The ones that measure actual outcomes, specifically severe ones, are the ones that interest me.

Either way, I'm comfortable with eschewing further general boosters, but would be interested in ones specifically targeted at future or expected strains.  

Others are free to make different decisions.

What I believe is certain, is that no mandates nor expectations for travel/employment/etc. should be tied to any further vaccination.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #17446 on: February 18, 2022, 10:20:26 AM »
Booster Shots 90% Effective at Preventing Omicron Hospitalizations: CDC Data (webmd.com)

I think it's pretty clear, the booster offers some protection against Omicron, though that will lessen with time.

Jan. 24, 2022 -- Booster shots of the Pfizer and Moderna COVID-19 vaccines appear to be highly effective at preventing hospitalizations due to the Omicron variant, according to three new CDC studies published on Friday.

The extra doses were 90% effective at keeping people out of the hospital after infection and 82% effective at preventing emergency department and urgent care visits.


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #17447 on: February 18, 2022, 10:26:25 AM »
Feel free to continue getting boosters as you like.

I'll wait for shots that are targeted at expected NEW variants, the same as the flu shot.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #17448 on: February 18, 2022, 10:28:16 AM »
If a new booster is credibly recommended, I'll get in line.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #17449 on: February 18, 2022, 10:39:33 AM »
Booster Shots 90% Effective at Preventing Omicron Hospitalizations: CDC Data (webmd.com)

I think it's pretty clear, the booster offers some protection against Omicron, though that will lessen with time.

Jan. 24, 2022 -- Booster shots of the Pfizer and Moderna COVID-19 vaccines appear to be highly effective at preventing hospitalizations due to the Omicron variant, according to three new CDC studies published on Friday.

The extra doses were 90% effective at keeping people out of the hospital after infection and 82% effective at preventing emergency department and urgent care visits.


Is it really the booster, or is it natural immunity due to prior infection? Or is it the much less severe variant? 
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #17450 on: February 18, 2022, 10:44:26 AM »
The studies compare outcomes of folks with boosters to folks with lower vaccine levels, and the results, to me, seem rather clear.

If some in one group had a prior infection, so would the same number in the other group, perhaps even more so, as the unvaccinated would be more likely to have had a prior infection.

These are pretty large based studies.  Anyway, I too am against mandated vaccines except perhaps in small select groups.  I would get an update.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #17451 on: February 18, 2022, 10:53:33 AM »
This is already demonstrably false.  Omicron is very different from prior strains and the vaccines targeted at prior strains are not working very well against Omicron.
The reason the vaccine doesn't work well against Omicron is that it's got an R0 of ~10, and the level of antibodies that the vaccine induces isn't enough to fight off the initial onslaught of such a transmissible virus...

Where the vaccine helps is that because your body is already "trained" to ramp up antibody production (as well as generate killer T cells recognizing the virus), your immune system catches up really quickly--faster than it would without the vaccine--and then keeps the outcomes from becoming severe.

I don't see another vaccine shot or an Omicron-specific shot necessarily helping very much against a future variant if the future variant has an R0 of 10 or higher.

So unless significant evidence is shown to prove it's worthwhile, I'm not getting another booster.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #17452 on: February 18, 2022, 11:52:55 AM »

So unless significant evidence is shown to prove it's worthwhile, I'm not getting another booster.

Yup.  

If they could somehow target emerging/expected variants in a timely manner I'd consider it.  But the current process doesn't seem to allow for bringing the shots to market quick enough to capture that moment.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #17453 on: February 18, 2022, 12:22:05 PM »
If it's recommended for my age, I'll review the recco and likely get one.  I expect one to be an annual thing going forward.  The downside appears to be minimal, to me.


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #17454 on: February 18, 2022, 12:28:47 PM »
I think there's a reasonable downside to the idea of annual shots-- for the political football of COVID specifically, anyway-- because there's always the opportunity for the government to do something non-sciency and make them required for travel, employment, etc. 

If they're targeted for emerging strains I'd say there's reasonable scientific justification for getting one, as long as it's not mandated.

If they're not targeted, that justification disappears and I'll take my chances at getting a mild cold, and completely avoid the potential of giving the government an opportunity to extend further its capability of exerting control over my daily life.

People that fear getting worse than a mild cold, should still have all opportunity to get whatever shots they want.  This is nothing more than a risk-utility analysis.



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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #17455 on: February 18, 2022, 01:00:48 PM »
as far as Im concerned they can have yearly shots all they want but just dont have any government mandates
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #17456 on: February 18, 2022, 01:15:30 PM »
as far as Im concerned they can have yearly shots all they want but just dont have any government mandates

Sure. No government mandates, and no linking it as a requirement for travel, employment, or anything else that attempts to curtail your rights to Life Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #17457 on: February 18, 2022, 02:51:28 PM »
Private entities like cruise lines can mandate on their own of course.


 

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