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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #17430 on: February 18, 2022, 07:42:06 AM »
August is 6 months away.

Omicron is not going to be around. We're 2.5 months into it and it's mostly petered out.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #17431 on: February 18, 2022, 07:44:09 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on February 18, 2022, 07:42:06 AM
August is 6 months away.

Omicron is not going to be around. We're 2.5 months into it and it's mostly petered out.
Seems like the right time to sell some Moderna stock then
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #17432 on: February 18, 2022, 08:07:20 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on February 18, 2022, 07:36:31 AM
I would get an Omicron enhanced booster in a few months if available and approved.
I wouldn't.  I've most definitely already been heavily exposed to Omicron.  

Unless/until they start coming out with targeted/early expectation annual shots, I'm done with "general boosters" or shots that are for prior variants that are now gone.



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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #17433 on: February 18, 2022, 08:21:00 AM »
I figure we're in for annual shots, like the flu, if they had an Omicron version, great, I'd take it.  It might offer some protection against Omega.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #17434 on: February 18, 2022, 08:28:25 AM »





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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #17435 on: February 18, 2022, 08:48:30 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on February 18, 2022, 08:21:00 AM
I figure we're in for annual shots, like the flu, if they had an Omicron version, great, I'd take it.  It might offer some protection against Omega.


In the USA, the flu's annual shot is targeted to a couple of the most likely future strains.  I would be willing to take a COVID shot that is targeted to the NEXT anticipated strain if it's really possible to do that.

A general one, or one targeted at the LAST strain, is of little interest to me.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #17436 on: February 18, 2022, 08:54:19 AM »
Quote from: utee94 on February 18, 2022, 08:48:30 AM
In the USA, the flu's annual shot is targeted to a couple of the most likely future strains.  I would be willing to take a COVID shot that is targeted to the NEXT anticipated strain if it's really possible to do that.

A general one, or one targeted at the LAST strain, is of little interest to me.
Same. Just feels like a money grab to me.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #17437 on: February 18, 2022, 08:59:32 AM »
The future strain is apt to be similar to the last strain.

I'd take a new vaccine in a few months if recommended.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #17438 on: February 18, 2022, 09:36:42 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on February 18, 2022, 08:59:32 AM
The future strain is apt to be similar to the last strain.

I'd take a new vaccine in a few months if recommended.
This is already demonstrably false.  Omicron is very different from prior strains and the vaccines targeted at prior strains are not working very well against Omicron.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #17439 on: February 18, 2022, 09:41:24 AM »
I disagree, the current vaccines do provide some efficacy against Omicron, especially with the booster.  I think a variant would be similar.  "Not working very well" is not the same as "not working at all", especially when one looks at how serious Omicron would be vaxxed versus not.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #17440 on: February 18, 2022, 09:47:48 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on February 18, 2022, 09:41:24 AM
I disagree, the current vaccines do provide some efficacy against Omicron, especially with the booster.  I think a variant would be similar.  "Not working very well" is not the same as "not working at all", especially when one looks at how serious Omicron would be vaxxed versus not.

Does it work some?  Seems to, although the data aren't supporting that severe outcomes are any different between two shots, and a booster.

Since the practical (and now stated) purpose of the vaccine, is to prevent severe illness, since it does not prevent infection and spread, then the difference between two and three shots is statistically insignificant at this point.

So then now, it's a matter of risk-utility, and people in higher risk groups should probably consider it more strongly than people in lower risk groups.

What I believe to be an absolute, is that further boosters should not be mandated nor considered for endeavors like travel, or employment.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #17441 on: February 18, 2022, 10:01:19 AM »
The COVID-19 Booster Shot Is Critical to Induce Immunity Against the Omicron Variant - NFCR

According to a new study published in the journal Cell on January 6, 2022, by researchers at the Ragon Institute of MGH, MIT, and Harvard, neutralizing antibodies against Omicron were not detected in the blood samples from people who had received two doses of mRNA vaccines (Pfizer or Moderna) or one dose of J&J vaccine. This finding indicates that the protection against the Omicron variant is very weak even if you are qualified as “fully vaccinated.” On the other hand, individuals who received booster shots of mRNA vaccines exhibited potent neutralization of Omicron. 

Although the level of neutralizing antibodies against Omicron induced after the third dose vaccination is lower than the antibody level against the COVID-19 wild type strain or Delta variant, the result of this study still demonstrates the critical role of booster shots in generating the needed immune response against the Omicron variant.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #17442 on: February 18, 2022, 10:02:34 AM »
Waning 2-Dose and 3-Dose Effectiveness of mRNA Vaccines Against COVID-19–Associated Emergency Department and Urgent Care Encounters and Hospitalizations Among Adults During Periods of Delta and Omicron Variant Predominance — VISION Network, 10 States, August 2021–January 2022 | MMWR (cdc.gov)

Vaccine effectiveness (VE) against COVID-19–associated emergency department/urgent care (ED/UC) visits and hospitalizations was higher after the third dose than after the second dose but waned with time since vaccination. During the Omicron-predominant period, VE against COVID-19–associated ED/UC visits and hospitalizations was 87% and 91%, respectively, during the 2 months after a third dose and decreased to 66% and 78% by the fourth month after a third dose. Protection against hospitalizations exceeded that against ED/UC visits.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #17443 on: February 18, 2022, 10:03:18 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on February 18, 2022, 10:01:19 AM
The COVID-19 Booster Shot Is Critical to Induce Immunity Against the Omicron Variant - NFCR

According to a new study published in the journal Cell on January 6, 2022, by researchers at the Ragon Institute of MGH, MIT, and Harvard, neutralizing antibodies against Omicron were not detected in the blood samples from people who had received two doses of mRNA vaccines (Pfizer or Moderna) or one dose of J&J vaccine. This finding indicates that the protection against the Omicron variant is very weak even if you are qualified as “fully vaccinated.” On the other hand, individuals who received booster shots of mRNA vaccines exhibited potent neutralization of Omicron.

Although the level of neutralizing antibodies against Omicron induced after the third dose vaccination is lower than the antibody level against the COVID-19 wild type strain or Delta variant, the result of this study still demonstrates the critical role of booster shots in generating the needed immune response against the Omicron variant.



I've already posted the data from the UK about severe outcomes in the UK with respect to Omicron variant.

No statistically significant difference between 2 shots and 3 shots, in all age cohorts under 70.
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