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utee94

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #17318 on: February 04, 2022, 02:10:48 PM »
well that doctor actually said this; “With the omicron variant, kids are either going to get the vaccine or they're likely to get a serious condition of omicron.” - which is just an outright lie.

multiple studies have shown that children are more at risk from the flu than they are covid - and those studies were before omicron - which is a much milder strain than delta or any of the previous strains.

Not nearly as bad as another doctor who went on NBC News and said 146,000 children died from covid in the US and that covid is one of the top 10 killers of children now - but still pretty bad imo.

Yes I know it's an incorrect statement.  It might be an intentional lie, or it might just be an incorrectly phrased statement.

I think what he meant to say, given the context of the rest of the discussion, is "with the omicron variant, kids that get the vaccine are less likely to come down with a serious case, than kids that don't."  That would be a correct statement, and would be consistent with the rest of the discussion.

But that's not what he actually said, and although I can probably forgive him for misspeaking, MSNBC clearly latched on to this one incorrect statement, and used it as their headline.  We all know exactly why MSNBC chose to do this, no need to belabor the point, and while I'm willing to forgive a doctor for a misstatement when it's possible and even likely he meant something else, I won't extend the same courtesy to MSNBC who knew better and published it anyway to further an agenda.


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #17319 on: February 04, 2022, 02:13:34 PM »
If I understand the article about the army vaccine it would still need to be modified

every time a new strain arrived:

The Army's SpFN vaccine is shaped like a soccer ball with 24 faces. Scientists can attach the spikes of multiple coronavirus strains to each of the different faces, allowing them to customize the vaccine for any new COVID variants that arise.

While this is good we still would be in a situation of getting a shot when a new strain came out

They won't let me give blood anymore. The burnt orange color scares the hell out of the doctors.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #17320 on: February 04, 2022, 05:29:22 PM »
Yes I know it's an incorrect statement.  It might be an intentional lie, or it might just be an incorrectly phrased statement.

I think what he meant to say, given the context of the rest of the discussion, is "with the omicron variant, kids that get the vaccine are less likely to come down with a serious case, than kids that don't."  That would be a correct statement, and would be consistent with the rest of the discussion.

But that's not what he actually said, and although I can probably forgive him for misspeaking, MSNBC clearly latched on to this one incorrect statement, and used it as their headline.  We all know exactly why MSNBC chose to do this, no need to belabor the point, and while I'm willing to forgive a doctor for a misstatement when it's possible and even likely he meant something else, I won't extend the same courtesy to MSNBC who knew better and published it anyway to further an agenda.
I see what you're saying now, and I agree with you. 

As for MSNBC - they keep selling the fear porn because they know it'll get clicks and eyeballs.  

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #17321 on: February 04, 2022, 05:31:30 PM »
I see what you're saying now, and I agree with you.

As for MSNBC - they keep selling the fear porn because they know it'll get clicks and eyeballs. 
Except- they are not winning over viewers. Their ratings are horrible and getting worse.  
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« Reply #17322 on: February 04, 2022, 05:36:33 PM »
Except- they are not winning over viewers. Their ratings are horrible and getting worse.
Yeah, because ORANGE BAD MAN GONE. Lol. The ratings have free fallen because I think people are getting tired. Can only lie to them so much before they tune out. At least they can still crack in the few million on some shows. CNN can't even get over 700-800k right now. MSNBC might be screwed though, as the one person they have that commands a real audience and has a real following- Rachel Maddow - is stepping away.

CNN is actually hilarious - they are starting a streaming service called CNN+. They currently get laughably low viewership on basic cable which people get basically for free as it's part of every basic cable package. If they think they can start a streaming service and charge people $10-15 a month and anyone is going to actually pay for that - well they are nuts.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #17323 on: February 04, 2022, 05:48:52 PM »
I started scanning the MSNBC web site every few days, it is rather entertaining, and predictable.  They don't change content very often which suggests they are a low budget op.  I scan CNN's also a few times a week.  Both really need Trump back, and both need a basic upgrade in material, I don't mean less biased, I mean just more quality stuff.

And I don't think that other cable network is, well, much, either, but they update constantly.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #17324 on: February 04, 2022, 06:05:04 PM »
I started scanning the MSNBC web site every few days, it is rather entertaining, and predictable.  They don't change content very often which suggests they are a low budget op.  I scan CNN's also a few times a week.  Both really need Trump back, and both need a basic upgrade in material, I don't mean less biased, I mean just more quality stuff.

And I don't think that other cable network is, well, much, either, but they update constantly.
well thats to be expected from someone who gets their news from Popular Mechanic 
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #17325 on: February 05, 2022, 07:11:44 AM »
I used to read PM and Popular Science when I was a kid, they were interesting.  There was a weekly called Science News I'd get at work that was a nice terse summary of stuff, I liked that.  It probably still exists, maybe only on line.

I used to get the three main car mags each month but most of their stuff now is on line for free.  I had a lot of mag subscriptions at one point, some for aviation, I got the NTSB accident report from a buddy, that was fun.  Pilot error.

For a while I was in charge of our technical library in our building at work, those subscriptions would run over $3,000 a year, the director's admin once yelled at me for spending $3500 "for a magazine".  OPM.  

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #17326 on: February 05, 2022, 07:45:47 AM »


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #17327 on: February 05, 2022, 08:09:56 AM »
I find it interesting how various states and countries get lauded (or criticized) for their actions with COVID, and then later on they either are doing worse, or better, depending, than others.  Area under the curve?

You can run but you can't hide.

Germany is experiencing a bad outbreak that isn't yet abating.

Sweden is having a bad time with Omicron that might be peaking.

India is having a bad time that might be peaking.

Israel is the same, maybe peaking.

I worry about the next variant.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #17328 on: February 05, 2022, 08:27:24 AM »
Well, we know for certain that lockdowns didn't work. As such, I would submit that the states which didn't lock down did better by their people.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #17329 on: February 05, 2022, 10:34:20 AM »
Too early to tell if it'll hold, but the US death numbers (7-day MA) might be hitting a plateau a little under the 2400/day mark.

That would be very positive, as the UK data showed from Delta peak -> Omicron peak a roughly 50% increase, which here would suggest a number closer to 3000/day.

I personally was predicting the 2600-2800 range as our Omicron peak, and if we stay under 2400 I'd say that's a good thing.

Your predicted numbers are right within striking range for this past week. 2600 deaths yesterday, 2700 deaths Thursday, 3000 deaths Wednesday and 3100 on Tuesday. With the weekly average hovering at about 2500 dating through last weekend.

While our Omicron case wave is peaking here in the U.S. it looks like it’s rising in several already hard hit, larger nations – Iran, Japan, Brazil:










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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #17330 on: February 06, 2022, 01:42:59 PM »
Well, we know for certain that lockdowns didn't work. As such, I would submit that the states which didn't lock down did better by their people.
masks didn't work either
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #17331 on: February 07, 2022, 12:01:39 PM »
If I understand the article about the army vaccine it would still need to be modified

every time a new strain arrived:

The Army's SpFN vaccine is shaped like a soccer ball with 24 faces. Scientists can attach the spikes of multiple coronavirus strains to each of the different faces, allowing them to customize the vaccine for any new COVID variants that arise.

While this is good we still would be in a situation of getting a shot when a new strain came out

I feel like this is the step needed to make it an annual flu like shot though; not a get it or your fired, pandemic, hysterical, news worthy, propaganda, current deal. 

 

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