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bayareabadger · « **Reply #17220 on:** January 26, 2022, 10:00:43 PM »

Quote from: Honestbuckeye on January 26, 2022, 09:38:18 PM

For someone who always alleges to be open minded, your position on virtually everything is so totally predictable

The alternative position being, this was a strike against something for which the success of a rising star politician on the other side has taken ample credit for?

It is quite possible, and if so, is a tremendously foolish calculation.

Mdot21 · « **Reply #17221 on:** January 26, 2022, 11:51:42 PM »

Yeah, monoclonal antibodies work. And god damn well too. I know this first hand and for a f**king fact, because I took them and they worked like a miracle on me. This is not some brand new medicine either- monoclonal antibodies have been around for a long time- the first monoclonal antibody drug was approved by the FDA like 35+ years ago and they've approved over 100 monoclonal antibody products since. And the side effects are basically non-existent- any side effects from them are f**king childs play compared to potentially dangerous side effects from THE EXPERIMENTAL VACCINES THAT WERE RUSHED THROUGH IN NINE MONTHS. It typically takes 5-10 years to develop a new vaccine and get it to market. They did this in 9 months. Things that make you go hmmmmmm.

Trust the Big Pharma though. Implicitly. Don't ask any questions. A pharmaceutical industry that I might add is nearly as filthy, rotten, corrupt, and criminal as the banking industry- it is the pharmaceutical industry after all that has paid the second most fines of any industry in US history- behind you guessed it- the banking industry- except when they commit fraud people can f**king die from taking their drugs- the bankers will lie, cheat, and steal- but they won't kill you. Pfizer by the way...yeah- they only paid the single largest criminal fine in US history. Great guys though, they really just want to save lives. They aren't in it for the money. LULZ.

There just simply is not enough evidence there for the FDA to just pull them like that suddenly and without prior warning. This has clearly been politicized and weaponized by the Biden administration. And it's f**king disgusting.

utee94 · « **Reply #17222 on:** January 27, 2022, 12:11:58 PM »

Quote from: Mdot21 on January 26, 2022, 11:51:42 PM

Yeah, monoclonal antibodies work. And god damn well too. I know this first hand and for a f**king fact, because I took them and they worked like a miracle on me. This is not some brand new medicine either- monoclonal antibodies have been around for a long time- the first monoclonal antibody drug was approved by the FDA like 35+ years ago and they've approved over 100 monoclonal antibody products since. And the side effects are basically non-existent- any side effects from them are f**king childs play compared to potentially dangerous side effects from THE EXPERIMENTAL VACCINES THAT WERE RUSHED THROUGH IN NINE MONTHS. It typically takes 5-10 years to develop a new vaccine and get it to market. They did this in 9 months. Things that make you go hmmmmmm.

Trust the Big Pharma though. Implicitly. Don't ask any questions. A pharmaceutical industry that I might add is nearly as filthy, rotten, corrupt, and criminal as the banking industry- it is the pharmaceutical industry after all that has paid the second most fines of any industry in US history- behind you guessed it- the banking industry- except when they commit fraud people can f**king die from taking their drugs- the bankers will lie, cheat, and steal- but they won't kill you. Pfizer by the way...yeah- they only paid the single largest criminal fine in US history. Great guys though, they really just want to save lives. They aren't in it for the money. LULZ.

There just simply is not enough evidence there for the FDA to just pull them like that suddenly and without prior warning. This has clearly been politicized and weaponized by the Biden administration. And it's f**king disgusting.

Did you get vaccinated?

Cincydawg · « **Reply #17223 on:** January 27, 2022, 12:50:11 PM »

The FDA has recommended use of different MCAs for Omicron, ones also made by large drug companies. They are in short supply at the moment.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #17224 on:** January 27, 2022, 12:51:56 PM »

Coronavirus (COVID-19) Update: FDA Limits Use of Certain Monoclonal Antibodies to Treat COVID-19 Due to the Omicron Variant | FDA

Note that MCAs are products made by drug companies. Two are involved in this decision based on the report they don't work with omicron.

FDA Halts Use of Some COVID Monoclonal Antibodies Due to Omicron (medscape.com)

If they aren't effective, I agree they shouldn't be used. I don't have access to the data they have showing they aren't effective.

FDA expected to restrict use of two COVID-19 monoclonal antibody treatments | TheHill

The Food and Drug Administration is expected to significantly restrict the use of a pair of monoclonal antibody treatments for COVID-19 because they are ineffective against the omicron variant, a senior administration health official confirmed.

As a result, the official said the Biden administration will be pausing the distribution of the therapies made by Eli Lilly and Regeneron to the states.

The antibody treatment now most recommended is sotrovimab, from GlaxoSmithKline and Vir Biotechnology. The administration will also continue to allocate doses of Pfizer's antiviral drug Paxlovid, as well as one made by Merck called molnupiravir. However, both Paxlovid and sotrovimab are in short supply.

Mdot21 · « **Reply #17225 on:** January 27, 2022, 02:54:54 PM »

anybody else find it hysterical that the FDA approved the Pfizer vaccine in 108 days, but when sued through FOIA the FDA tried to argue in court that it needed 75 years - until the year 2097 to release all the vaccine data. Red flags should immediately go off when a government bureaucracy is trying to hide truth and avoid transparency. Side note: wonder how the f the world will look in 2097. Would be cool to be around then, but we'll all be gone unfortunately. Thank god a federal judge laughed them out of court and ordered them to release everything within 8 months.

And now the FDA is trying to ask the judge to delay the first 55,000 pages until May and Pfizer is now intervening as a 3rd party on in the lawsuit. Fun times.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #17226 on:** January 27, 2022, 03:01:09 PM »

‘Paramount importance’: Judge orders FDA to hasten release of Pfizer vaccine docs | Reuters

Still, the FDA is likely to be hard-pressed to process 55,000 pages a month.
The office that reviews FOIA requests has just 10 employees, according to a declaration filed with the court by Suzann Burk, who heads the FDA’s Division of Disclosure and Oversight Management. Burk said it takes eight minutes a page for a worker “to perform a careful line-by-line, word-by-word review of all responsive records before producing them in response to a FOIA request.”
At that rate, the 10 employees would have to work non-stop 24 hours a day, seven days a week to produce the 55,000 pages a month (and would still fall a bit short).
But as lawyers for the plaintiffs Public Health and Medical Professionals for Transparency pointed out in court papers, the FDA as of 2020 had 18,062 employees. Surely some can be dispatched to pitch in at the FOIA office.

Mdot21 · « **Reply #17227 on:** January 27, 2022, 03:04:36 PM »

Quote from: Cincydawg on January 27, 2022, 03:01:09 PM

‘Paramount importance’: Judge orders FDA to hasten release of Pfizer vaccine docs | Reuters

Still, the FDA is likely to be hard-pressed to process 55,000 pages a month.
The office that reviews FOIA requests has just 10 employees, according to a declaration filed with the court by Suzann Burk, who heads the FDA’s Division of Disclosure and Oversight Management. Burk said it takes eight minutes a page for a worker “to perform a careful line-by-line, word-by-word review of all responsive records before producing them in response to a FOIA request.”
At that rate, the 10 employees would have to work non-stop 24 hours a day, seven days a week to produce the 55,000 pages a month (and would still fall a bit short).
But as lawyers for the plaintiffs Public Health and Medical Professionals for Transparency pointed out in court papers, the FDA as of 2020 had 18,062 employees. Surely some can be dispatched to pitch in at the FOIA office.

yawn, those are just lame tone deaf excuses to stall and buy time. they could easily beef up oversight management or hire 3rd parties to expedite. here's a better idea...this isn't classified information. there aren't state secrets in any of these documents. just release it all. at once.

Pfizer is now intervening in the lawsuit as a 3rd party...and they are asking til May to release the first 55,000 pages.

https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1486441773056643081?s=20&t=vopexvazYxz6crshruBCEA

Cincydawg · « **Reply #17228 on:** January 27, 2022, 03:13:40 PM »

Who is going to read all this mess anyway? I presume much of it is tables of data. I don't see anything nefarious in this at all. The studies were reviewed by the FDA, and other very similar studies were done in other countries, and with other vaccines.

To think this is some gotcha moment strikes me as a bit bizarre.

847badgerfan · « **Reply #17229 on:** January 27, 2022, 04:01:06 PM »

Quote from: Cincydawg on January 27, 2022, 03:13:40 PM

Who is going to read all this mess anyway? I presume much of it is tables of data. I don't see anything nefarious in this at all. The studies were reviewed by the FDA, and other very similar studies were done in other countries, and with other vaccines.

To think this is some gotcha moment strikes me as a bit bizarre.

How did the FDA read it all in the first place?

Cincydawg · « **Reply #17230 on:** January 27, 2022, 04:05:44 PM »

I would guess they had folks review the data and holding meetings on it, but I'm talking about "us" in the public, I can't think of many who would delve into it, it's not their job to do it. It's the job of folks at the FDA to review the clinical data, and they do it as their routine job. There were multiple clinicals on several vaccine types in various countries. I'm pretty sure most of the paperwork is things like consent forms, data tables, lists of who ran the clinical, signed forms that it was run according to Hoyle, stuff like that. Boring.

The FDA boys would flip through that for the data on the actual clinical results.

betarhoalphadelta · « **Reply #17231 on:** January 27, 2022, 05:54:30 PM »

Well, shit.

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2022/01/27/1076123109/a-second-version-of-omicron-is-spreading-heres-why-scientists-are-on-alert

longhorn320 · « **Reply #17232 on:** January 27, 2022, 06:21:31 PM »

Looks like its not a real problem

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=empdad1VBiQ

betarhoalphadelta · « **Reply #17233 on:** January 27, 2022, 07:00:46 PM »

To be honest, I haven't seen anything that suggests Omicron BA.2 is really any more of a concern than Omicron BA.1. Doesn't seem to be exploding the cases, nor causing more deaths, nor having any more or less immunity evasion.

But I figured it was worth passing along...

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