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need to still get vaccinated 3 jabs

Why?  That chart shows the difference is mathematically nonexistent in cohorts up to age 50, and is statistically insignificant in cohorts up to age 70.

so I guess I read the chart wrong in that in each age group your chances of going to the hospital are greatly reduced if you are vaccinated

are you saying the chart indicates only certain age groups need to be vaccinated?

No, getting vaxed with 2 jabs versus being completely unvaxed makes a large difference in all age cohorts.

What I'm noting is that there's effectively no difference in critical care outcome between getting 2 jabs and getting 3, until you reach the 70 and above cohort.

that may be but just the same get 3 jabs for as much protection as you can get at least that my opinion

That's certainly something you can do for yourself, if you like.

But the science doesn't support it.  Which means it shouldn't become a matter of public policy.

Now, this is just one data set. I'd be interested to know if a comprehensive peer-reviewed study has been performed. 

but I could look at the same time period and find large decreases so looking at a snapshot of 2 days really isnt telling

Sure, nothing is conclusive yet. 

Just saying the circumstantial evidence paints a picture...

• South Africa started seeing a lot of Omicron cases.
• 3 weeks later, they saw a marked (3x+) upturn in deaths.
• The UK started seeing a lot of Omicron cases, above and beyond a lingering Delta case load.
• 3 weeks later, they saw an uptick in deaths, including two days higher than any other point since arrival of Delta. 

You don't HAVE to believe that this is a trend, and you can absolutely think that both countries will just drop right back to their baseline death rate in the next week or so, or even drop down well below it.

My prediction is the opposite--deaths continue to increase in the UK, deahts stay at this higher level for several more weeks in South Africa, and deaths in the US start rising markedly by Jan 17. 


I hope I'm wrong.

Sure, nothing is conclusive yet.

Just saying the circumstantial evidence paints a picture...

• South Africa started seeing a lot of Omicron cases.
• 3 weeks later, they saw a marked (3x+) upturn in deaths.
• The UK started seeing a lot of Omicron cases, above and beyond a lingering Delta case load.
• 3 weeks later, they saw an uptick in deaths, including two days higher than any other point since arrival of Delta.

You don't HAVE to believe that this is a trend, and you can absolutely think that both countries will just drop right back to their baseline death rate in the next week or so, or even drop down well below it.

My prediction is the opposite--deaths continue to increase in the UK, deahts stay at this higher level for several more weeks in South Africa, and deaths in the US start rising markedly by Jan 17.


I hope I'm wrong.

not to worry
you are

boosters really have not been out that long so maybe more time needs to pass to render an opinion

Yes, that could be the case-- which would mean there's not enough data so there's no scientific basis for any policy requiring a 3rd shot, at this time.

Doing so on a voluntary basis, as long as you've discussed it with your doc, should be fine.  But I'm already seeing public policy documents here in Austin referring to everyone with 2 shots as "partially vaxed."  There is no scientific basis for this designation.

I went for the booster because hell, why not?

I generally had an easier time than the 2nd shot, when I had 4 hours of fever hell. In this case I had a day of malaise and some light chills, but nothing bad. My wife caught it bad from the booster though, felt nauseous and had a 102 fever at one point, and basically felt like utter crap for about a day and a half.

She says that if Newsom demands a 4th shot for medical workers, then her office is more than free to fire her, because she's not doing it again. I don't blame her.

Sure, I'm not opposed to a booster, either.  My 6 months were up at the end of November and my holidays were jam-packed from Thanksgiving through new year's, so I didn't really start looking until we got back from vacation on 1/3.  And at this point, I can't find a site that will schedule a booster within 25 miles of my house, within the next 3 weeks.  So I'll wait.  It's no big deal, I'm not worried one way or the other about it.

But in the meantime, the city has decided that I am now "partially vaxed" and according to Stage 5, I'm not allowed to dine-in at restaurants or do all sorts of other things.  Now, obviously, there's no way to enforce this.  But it's just another case of bad public policy that is non science-based.  And the really frustrating part, is those in charge, are citing "the science" as the reasons for their bad policy, despite the fact that they're ignoring the actual science.