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Topic: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16870 on: January 07, 2022, 11:13:16 AM »
Right. Half the death rate but with twice the cases, is still the same absolute number of deaths.
I should point out that there may be another confounding variable as it relates to the case/death relationship, especially in the US.

America seems to have a serious hard-on for COVID testing. It seems that the mantra is that everyone should be testing, all the damn time. Test for this event, test for that event, test in the event that you've turned testing into an event in its own right. 

So we're probably catching TONS of COVID-positive people who are asymptomatic or just have the sniffles, many of whom are vaccinated, and almost none of whom have a serious chance of ending up in the hospital, ICU, or morgue. 

So in a world where testing was mostly done for people who think they have a decent likelihood of having COVID, i.e. they are symptomatic or perhaps they're a close contact of someone known to have COVID, I would expect the deaths graph to mostly look like the cases graph, smaller, and smaller than we saw with Delta, with a 3-week lag, but generally the same shape. 

With our insane testing regimen, however, it won't surprise me if the death curves appear even more muted than you'd expect based upon the shape of the cases curves. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16871 on: January 07, 2022, 11:19:28 AM »
I should point out that there may be another confounding variable as it relates to the case/death relationship, especially in the US.

America seems to have a serious hard-on for COVID testing. It seems that the mantra is that everyone should be testing, all the damn time. Test for this event, test for that event, test in the event that you've turned testing into an event in its own right.

So we're probably catching TONS of COVID-positive people who are asymptomatic or just have the sniffles, many of whom are vaccinated, and almost none of whom have a serious chance of ending up in the hospital, ICU, or morgue.

So in a world where testing was mostly done for people who think they have a decent likelihood of having COVID, i.e. they are symptomatic or perhaps they're a close contact of someone known to have COVID, I would expect the deaths graph to mostly look like the cases graph, smaller, and smaller than we saw with Delta, with a 3-week lag, but generally the same shape.

With our insane testing regimen, however, it won't surprise me if the death curves appear even more muted than you'd expect based upon the shape of the cases curves.

Sure, that could be.

I don't know anything at all about testing in SA.  I do believe that testing in the UK is probably fairly similar to testing in the USA, because they have similar or perhaps even more rigid restrictions on events and travel, than we do, with testing as a primary avenue for obtaining your "ticket to ride."

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16872 on: January 07, 2022, 11:38:50 AM »
well, these retards are doing it again. they are going to f***ig kill us all. Where is Obama when you need him?


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16873 on: January 07, 2022, 11:39:42 AM »
Im not talking about percent of deaths being lower but actual deaths being lower and very quickly

we just dont agree on this 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16874 on: January 07, 2022, 12:16:11 PM »
Im not talking about percent of deaths being lower but actual deaths being lower and very quickly

we just dont agree on this


We know what you're saying.

There's nothing to agree or disagree on as of yet.  There's not enough data to base any conclusions yet-- not even from SA or UK.

I understand that you WANT this to end, we all do.  But wishing our way past the next 4-6 weeks won't accomplish anything.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16875 on: January 07, 2022, 12:37:25 PM »
We know what you're saying.

There's nothing to agree or disagree on as of yet.  There's not enough data to base any conclusions yet-- not even from SA or UK.

I understand that you WANT this to end, we all do.  But wishing our way past the next 4-6 weeks won't accomplish anything.
yes there is enough data available to support my view

wishing is not involved 

If Im wrong I'll be the first to admit it
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16876 on: January 07, 2022, 12:46:09 PM »
I get a sense more and more of "us" are reaching the conclusion that this is endemic, it's here, we're not going to stop it, and most measures are not effective anyway.  I'm against the vaccine mandates even though I think they could make some difference, but at what cost?  Staffing is a serious issue already.

And enforcement would be problematic.

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« Reply #16877 on: January 07, 2022, 12:51:55 PM »
I'd guess deaths will be lower in percentage because many at high risk of death have already died of Delta

Some logic, some wishing
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16878 on: January 07, 2022, 12:53:33 PM »
I'd guess deaths will be lower in percentage because many at high risk of death have already died of Delta

Some logic, some wishing
deaths will be lower actual not percentage

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16879 on: January 07, 2022, 12:54:49 PM »
I get a sense more and more of "us" are reaching the conclusion that this is endemic, it's here, we're not going to stop it, and most measures are not effective anyway.  I'm against the vaccine mandates even though I think they could make some difference, but at what cost?  Staffing is a serious issue already.

And enforcement would be problematic.

I can't schedule a booster anywhere within 25 miles of my house, any time within the next 3 weeks.  Some of it is supply, some of it is staffing, but the bottom line is that it's neither simple nor convenient, which are the two primary criteria to make an ongoing vaccine program effective.

I'm not sweating it, I waited a while to get the first two and I'm fine with waiting a while to get the third.  But Travis County-- the county in which Austin and most of the metro area reside-- has gone back to "Stage 5" and has already redefined "fully vaccinated" as being THREE shots.  So I am no longer considered fully vaccinated.  It doesn't really make any difference from an enforcement perspective, but it's an example that we're about to start descending back into the madness.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16880 on: January 07, 2022, 12:56:02 PM »
South Africa is coming down, Germany may be as well.  This peak and valley thing is very likely to continue I suspect.


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16882 on: January 07, 2022, 01:01:37 PM »
This is what will happen here

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/interactive/2022/omicron-comparison-cases-deaths-hospitalizations/
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However, it’s important to note that even if omicron puts only a third as many infected people in the hospital, if cases continue to rise and the variants infect three times as many people, the same number will end up in the hospital despite the lower hospitalization rate. The same goes for deaths.


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16883 on: January 07, 2022, 01:05:58 PM »
see, you were both right and arguing just for the sake of wasting breath
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