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Topic: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16814 on: December 31, 2021, 10:48:15 AM »
Apparently night sweats are now being listed as an Omicron symptom.
Also a symptom of be grabbing the heavy blanket by mistake and not opening a window. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16815 on: December 31, 2021, 10:53:36 AM »
or over eating a dry aged ribeye and gulping too much wine with a late meal
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16816 on: December 31, 2021, 10:58:07 AM »
Who the hell does that?Eat a dagwood over the sink proper - no symptoms
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16817 on: December 31, 2021, 11:00:39 AM »
Apparently night sweats are now being listed as an Omicron symptom.
Serves 'em right for betting on the late games
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16818 on: December 31, 2021, 12:13:28 PM »
This is amazing, if accurate.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16819 on: December 31, 2021, 12:36:36 PM »
Yeah, I just looked at the national numbers on Worldometers. Yesterday was the highest daily case total of the entire pandemic.

Omicron is just ripping through the population.

This will IMHO lead to some spikes in hospitalizations and deaths, just based on sheer numbers, and mostly unvaccinated IMHO.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16820 on: December 31, 2021, 01:29:39 PM »
This is amazing, if accurate.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16821 on: December 31, 2021, 02:54:41 PM »
Yeah, I just looked at the national numbers on Worldometers. Yesterday was the highest daily case total of the entire pandemic.

Omicron is just ripping through the population.

This will IMHO lead to some spikes in hospitalizations and deaths, just based on sheer numbers, and mostly unvaccinated IMHO.
I dont agree on the deaths.  We will see lower deaths then delta.

and the normal length of an omicron hospital stay is less then half delta so that will help

I just hope we dont over react like NYC
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16822 on: December 31, 2021, 03:06:43 PM »
I dont agree on the deaths.  We will see lower deaths then delta.

and the normal length of an omicron hospital stay is less then half delta so that will help

I just hope we dont over react like NYC
We'll see lower deaths as a percentage of infections than Delta, on that I 100% agree. 

But the Delta case numbers maxed out at <200K per day nationally. Yesterday we had national numbers of 572K infections, and we're still in the very early stage of this spike.

Now, will we see the same number of deaths per day as Delta? I'm not sure. The number MAY be lower than Delta due to the apparent much lower mortality of Omicron. The number MAY be higher if case numbers shoot even further skyward. 

But either I still think we're going to see death numbers jump from where they are today, just because of sheer numbers of infections. 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16823 on: December 31, 2021, 03:19:30 PM »
We'll see lower deaths as a percentage of infections than Delta, on that I 100% agree.

But the Delta case numbers maxed out at <200K per day nationally. Yesterday we had national numbers of 572K infections, and we're still in the very early stage of this spike.

Now, will we see the same number of deaths per day as Delta? I'm not sure. The number MAY be lower than Delta due to the apparent much lower mortality of Omicron. The number MAY be higher if case numbers shoot even further skyward.

But either I still think we're going to see death numbers jump from where they are today, just because of sheer numbers of infections.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
again I dont agree

I think we will see deaths actually decrease from the present number

just like whats happening in the UK and South Africa
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16824 on: December 31, 2021, 03:29:12 PM »
again I dont agree

I think we will see deaths actually decrease from the present number

just like whats happening in the UK and South Africa
If you look at South Africa, there are a number of very different circumstances...

  • South Africa's Delta spike had already worked its way through and cleared, and this was reflected in deaths. Their baseline is lower. 
  • South Africa had MUCH lower vaccination rates than the US. 
  • South Africa's Omicron spike started about 3 1/2 weeks ago, and they are just now showing an uptrend in deaths. Given there's typically a 3 week lag between cases and deaths, that makes sense. 
  • South Africa's Omicron spike, as reflected in cases/day, was roughly similar to their Delta spike. Whereas in the US it's now MUCH higher in cases/day. This could be due to more testing in the US; I'm not sure. 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/south-africa/

Literally everything I see suggests that Omicron will be much more mild for us than Delta. But yesterday's new case rate being 3x what we were logging during Delta makes me concerned that a lower percentage multiplied by a higher rate will still be rough. 

That said, I'm living my life. I'm now triple-jabbed and not really worried about it. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16825 on: December 31, 2021, 03:33:25 PM »
If you look at South Africa, there are a number of very different circumstances...

  • South Africa's Delta spike had already worked its way through and cleared, and this was reflected in deaths. Their baseline is lower.
  • South Africa had MUCH lower vaccination rates than the US.
  • South Africa's Omicron spike started about 3 1/2 weeks ago, and they are just now showing an uptrend in deaths. Given there's typically a 3 week lag between cases and deaths, that makes sense.
  • South Africa's Omicron spike, as reflected in cases/day, was roughly similar to their Delta spike. Whereas in the US it's now MUCH higher in cases/day. This could be due to more testing in the US; I'm not sure.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/south-africa/

Literally everything I see suggests that Omicron will be much more mild for us than Delta. But yesterday's new case rate being 3x what we were logging during Delta makes me concerned that a lower percentage multiplied by a higher rate will still be rough.

That said, I'm living my life. I'm now triple-jabbed and not really worried about it.

omicron is a good thing

everyone should vaccinate because it makes omicron even milder if caught

also look at the UK stats
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16826 on: December 31, 2021, 03:37:15 PM »
omicron is a good thing

everyone should vaccinate because it makes omicron even milder if caught

also look at the UK stats
UK is a better comparison because like the US, they've had a constant case rate and pretty constant death rate for a couple months after the primary Delta spike. 

That said, the UK is only ~2 weeks removed from the start of their Omicron spike. And just recorded on Dec 30 a higher per-day death total than any previous time during the Delta wave. 

(Note: this is likely a combination of lagging Delta and new Omicron infections--but that's would likely also be true of the US as our Delta deaths haven't been dropping that quickly either.)

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16827 on: December 31, 2021, 04:04:45 PM »
UK is a better comparison because like the US, they've had a constant case rate and pretty constant death rate for a couple months after the primary Delta spike.

That said, the UK is only ~2 weeks removed from the start of their Omicron spike. And just recorded on Dec 30 a higher per-day death total than any previous time during the Delta wave.

(Note: this is likely a combination of lagging Delta and new Omicron infections--but that's would likely also be true of the US as our Delta deaths haven't been dropping that quickly either.)
I agree 

we should see a large decrease is deaths after the remaining delta cases go away

this will take 2 to 3 weeks

during this time however I dont think we will see much of an increase in deaths
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