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Topic: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas

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betarhoalphadelta

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16702 on: December 22, 2021, 12:37:17 PM »
are folks getting omicron protected from getting delta
Probably?

Not a whole lot of data out there. There should be some crossover immunity between strains, but how much, we don't really know. 

The info GopherRock posted upthread about Moderna suggests in their press release that the vaccine antibodies neutralize Omicron in a petri dish, which isn't exactly the same as in the human body, but it's suggestive that the antibodies have cross-strain protection. 

My guess is that Delta will provide pretty good protection from Omicron, and Omicron will provide pretty good protection from Delta. In all cases (vaccine or natural immunity), that protection from infection wanes over time though. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16703 on: December 22, 2021, 12:53:36 PM »
Is it possible we have not heard about being protected when getting omicron from the media because it doesnt fit the narrative

If omicron has spread to almost 75% of virus positives and not one death in US from omicron somebody knows something they are not telling

yes cases are way up but deaths so far are not increasing and in many places are decreasing

not one word about this in media

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16704 on: December 22, 2021, 01:04:56 PM »
Is it possible we have not heard about being protected when getting omicron from the media because it doesnt fit the narrative

If omicron has spread to almost 75% of virus positives and not one death in US from omicron somebody knows something they are not telling

yes cases are way up but deaths so far are not increasing and in many places are decreasing

not one word about this in media
NYT: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/06/world/africa/omicron-coronavirus-research-spread.html

Bloomberg: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-12-22/omicron-has-80-lower-risk-of-hospitalization-new-study-shows

NPR: https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/12/17/1065315661/omicron-may-be-less-severe-in-south-africa-that-may-not-be-the-case-for-the-u-s

Guardian: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/22/data-appears-to-support-claims-that-omicron-is-less-severe-in-south-africa

That's just on the first page of a quick google search, and you all know how Google is biased, so if they're putting this on the first page of results, I don't think you can say "not one word about this in media". 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16705 on: December 22, 2021, 01:08:16 PM »
They won't let me give blood anymore. The burnt orange color scares the hell out of the doctors.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16706 on: December 22, 2021, 04:12:53 PM »
all they talk about is how omicron may be less severe then delta
thats not what Im talking about
Well we don't know the level of protection that Omicron gives you to Delta, if that's what you're talking about. Omicron is WAY too new for that. So I don't know how they would talk about that before studies are done and reported, and studies take time. 

Some media outlets are saying Omicron appears to be less severe. Other media outlets (or other writers from the same outlets) are saying that we shouldn't be complacent based upon the early data about Omicron's severity and that vaccination/boosters are still important. Other media outlets (a few days ago) said that vaccination followed by natural infection is super-immunity. 

I don't know what you're complaining about... Can you be more clear? 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16707 on: December 22, 2021, 04:21:29 PM »
as of today omicron makes up 75% of new cases

the new case count is very high and yet hospitalizations and death count remain constant and even decrease in many areas

what this looks like is that omicron is taking over from delta with just cold like symptoms and near zero death count

all one has to do is look at the results in South Africa to see where we are going

yet the media ignores this

and Im not complaining Im just pointing out what appears to be a reluctance from the media to talk about encouraging news 
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16708 on: December 22, 2021, 04:31:39 PM »
as of today omicron makes up 75% of new cases

the new case count is very high and yet hospitalizations and death count remain constant and even decrease in many areas

what this looks like is that omicron is taking over from delta with just cold like symptoms and near zero death count

all one has to do is look at the results in South Africa to see where we are going

yet the media ignores this

and Im not complaining Im just pointing out what appears to be a reluctance from the media to talk about encouraging news
But they are talking about it. They're talking about how the evidence shows that Omicron is less severe than Delta. They're talking about how in South Africa, things look WAY better than you would expect if Omicron was as severe as Delta.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16709 on: December 22, 2021, 04:43:19 PM »
But they are talking about it. They're talking about how the evidence shows that Omicron is less severe than Delta. They're talking about how in South Africa, things look WAY better than you would expect if Omicron was as severe as Delta.

Just gloom and doom and shutdowns coming from our leaders with some exceptions which I wont elaborate on

I have not seen much of what you say the media is saying but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and just say maybe our leaders will start listening to it

and its more then South Africa
Great Britain has a very high new case rate because omicron has taken over but their new covid hospitalizations
is very low as is their new covid death count
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16710 on: December 22, 2021, 04:45:55 PM »
somebody fully vaccinated that gets omicron will have a very high (some are calling it super) immunity going forward
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16711 on: December 22, 2021, 04:53:00 PM »
the beginning of the end

hopefully
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16712 on: December 22, 2021, 04:55:04 PM »
somebody fully vaccinated that gets omicron will have a very high (some are calling it super) immunity going forward
Yep. We are going to have an Omicron party when we get back from Cabo.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16713 on: December 22, 2021, 04:59:08 PM »
somebody fully vaccinated that gets omicron will have a very high (some are calling it super) immunity going forward
Why my nephew and wife got Covid twice,and haven't got the 3rd shot yet.I don't follow that line of reasong but I hope it's true
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16714 on: December 22, 2021, 05:03:43 PM »
Yep. We are going to have an Omicron party when we get back from Cabo.
Hey theres worse ideas and there will really be some of those IMHO
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16715 on: December 22, 2021, 05:22:32 PM »
Just gloom and doom and shutdowns coming from our leaders with some exceptions which I wont elaborate on

I have not seen much of what you say the media is saying but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and just say maybe our leaders will start listening to it
Well, define "leaders". I can think of one (POTUS) who just said schools "must" remain open. I can think of several governors who are absolutely not talking about shutdowns or other gloom and doom.

My own governor (Newsom), not so much. Pushed a statewide indoor mask mandate and just mandated that healthcare workers MUST have boosters by Feb 1 to be considered vaccinated. In a state where we're seeing, AT MOST, a minor blip in cases, and are still showing a gradual downward trend in deaths. 

So, let's not act like there's one "the media", or, for that matter, one "our leaders". It's a lot of different people with different opinions and interests, not one single entity. 

 

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