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GopherRock

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16688 on: December 22, 2021, 10:53:53 AM »
Quote from: Honestbuckeye on December 22, 2021, 10:39:39 AM
Exactly.  I don’t know that there’s any authoritative evidence to suggest that the booster enhances your protection against Omnicron .
https://apnews.com/article/moderna-booster-vaccine-omicron-coronavirus-pandemic-f846e8f59aa22c9c7d198162e5cbca6b

The folks at Moderna beg to differ.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16689 on: December 22, 2021, 10:54:54 AM »
Of course they do...
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16690 on: December 22, 2021, 11:00:31 AM »
Quote from: Honestbuckeye on December 22, 2021, 08:12:10 AM
Since this new variant readily infects the vaccinated, and they are obviously transmitting it- this misplaced demonization of the unvaccinated ( many of whom have antibodies since they already had it) is so misplaced, stupid, and humorous. 
Authorities tell people that stay behind in mandatory-evacuation zones for hurricanes to write their Social Security numbers on their arms in permanent marker. 

Demonizing those who make poor decisions is not a  new concept.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16691 on: December 22, 2021, 11:04:00 AM »
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16692 on: December 22, 2021, 11:06:46 AM »
Quote from: Abba on December 22, 2021, 10:47:10 AM
You guys are following this much closer than I am, but I understood that the booster isn't giving additional protection.  It is just trying to restore the original protection we got from the vaccine, which wanes over time.  I believe the original vaccine / booster (which is just a decreased dose of the vaccine really) will provide some protection against omicron, but is not specifically designed against that variant.

I know there have been talks about an omicron-specific vaccine, but I don't know that it's necessary at this point.
From what we know, protection against INFECTION wanes over time, but protection against hospitalization and death seems more robust. The booster spikes your antibody levels, so it should restore protection against infection, at least for the known variant of Delta. 

Omicron is an unknown, still. It appears to have more ability to evade vaccine protection against infection, but it also appears to have less severity of outcome. We don't really know yet how well the vaccines protect against Omicron, nor how much additional protection a booster would provide in the case of waning immunity from a vaccine course 6-12 months previous.
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betarhoalphadelta

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16693 on: December 22, 2021, 11:13:13 AM »
Quote from: GopherRock on December 22, 2021, 10:53:53 AM
https://apnews.com/article/moderna-booster-vaccine-omicron-coronavirus-pandemic-f846e8f59aa22c9c7d198162e5cbca6b

The folks at Moderna beg to differ.
Interesting. The article doesn't go into enough detail, but I found the actual press release.

I wasn't sure the extent to which these antibodies actually respond to Omicron, but at the very least the press release says that it neutralizes the Omicron variant in vitro. Which isn't everything, but it ain't nothin' either. 

Thanks for passing that along. 
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Honestbuckeye

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16694 on: December 22, 2021, 11:22:24 AM »
Quote from: GopherRock on December 22, 2021, 10:53:53 AM
https://apnews.com/article/moderna-booster-vaccine-omicron-coronavirus-pandemic-f846e8f59aa22c9c7d198162e5cbca6b

The folks at Moderna beg to differ.
I wonder how the folks in New York City feel about that. Some say it’s the most vaccinated big city in the world, and has the strictest vaccine and mask mandates.

and it is now being referred to as ground zero for Omnicron. 
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16695 on: December 22, 2021, 11:22:53 AM »
46% of ICU beds in Pennsylvania are COVID, 88% of those are unvaccinated
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16696 on: December 22, 2021, 11:24:26 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on December 22, 2021, 10:49:14 AM
Based on everything I see from reliable* sources, Omicron is the beginning of the end of this pandemic.

March/April 2022, or so.


* not easy to find

https://twitter.com/business/status/1473623053900918795?s=20
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16697 on: December 22, 2021, 11:29:50 AM »
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16698 on: December 22, 2021, 11:35:18 AM »
Quote from: GopherRock on December 22, 2021, 11:00:31 AM
Authorities tell people that stay behind in mandatory-evacuation zones for hurricanes to write their Social Security numbers on their arms in permanent marker.

Demonizing those who make poor decisions is not a  new concept.
Not a good analogy by the way.  People who stay behind and hurricanes are not putting anyone else at risk.

The inference being made now is that the unvaccinated are putting the vaccinated at risk for Omni Kron which is completely false.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16699 on: December 22, 2021, 11:41:08 AM »
Quote from: ELA on December 22, 2021, 11:22:53 AM
46% of ICU beds in Pennsylvania are COVID, 88% of those are unvaccinated
Not sure where you got that data- but I will take your word for it because it is consistent with what we’ve seen for the last year.

but this conversation is about the new variant. So how many people are hospitalized with the new variant? And what percentage of those people are fully vaccinated?   Everything I can find on who is getting infected points towards people with vaccinations being the overwhelming majority of those getting infected. 
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16700 on: December 22, 2021, 11:51:29 AM »
Quote from: Honestbuckeye on December 22, 2021, 11:41:08 AM
Not sure where you got that data- but I will take your word for it because it is consistent with what we’ve seen for the last year.

but this conversation is about the new variant. So how many people are hospitalized with the new variant? And what percentage of those people are fully vaccinated?  Everything I can find on who is getting infected points towards people with vaccinations being the overwhelming majority of those getting infected.
Interview with the head of the UPenn (I think?) hospital system.  Either way, one of the Philly hospital systems
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16701 on: December 22, 2021, 12:31:29 PM »
are folks getting omicron protected from getting delta
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