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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16674 on: December 22, 2021, 09:52:22 AM »
Quote from: ELA on December 22, 2021, 09:40:09 AM
Sure, but they aren't taking up the beds when they get it.  Of course they are getting it, and transmitting it, but they aren't preventing others from receiving care
They're not taking up ALL the beds.Just like 2 yrs ago when the same Hospitals were tagging covid on people dying from cancer/diabetes and other diseases - that really happened and I heard directly from 2 nurses in health care.As Northern Ohio Buckeye posted some such 2 yrs ago
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16675 on: December 22, 2021, 09:53:26 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on December 22, 2021, 09:51:50 AM
Lots of promise here.

Omicron Has 80% Lower Risk of Hospitalization, New Study Shows (msn.com)
That Dr Campbell I just linked mentioned this a month back when it was stirring in S.Africa
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16676 on: December 22, 2021, 09:57:50 AM »
Quote from: MrNubbz on December 22, 2021, 09:52:22 AM
They're not taking up ALL the beds.Just like 2 yrs ago when the same Hospitals were tagging covid on people dying from cancer/diabetes and other diseases - that really happened and I heard directly from 2 nurses in health care.As Northern Ohio Buckeye posted some such 2 yrs ago
I never said they were taking up all the beds.  I said of the people being hospitalized for this, the vast, vast majority are the unvaccinated.  Don't deny them medical care, but only give them a bed if they aren't preventing someone else from getting one.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16677 on: December 22, 2021, 09:58:29 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on December 22, 2021, 09:51:25 AM
We take vitamins C, D and zinc daily.
Watch that video,if you take D3 you have to take some K2 as these are usaully come hand in hand naturally.That Israeli DR got plenty of sun as he lives on the Mediteranean but still had low levels of D.Evidently have to be careful with K2 for sure
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16678 on: December 22, 2021, 10:02:01 AM »
Quote from: ELA on December 22, 2021, 09:57:50 AM
I never said they were taking up all the beds.  I said of the people being hospitalized for this, the vast, vast majority are the unvaccinated.  Don't deny them medical care, but only give them a bed if they aren't preventing someone else from getting one.
Well "taking up" would imply that but Vaxed or not a lot of people head to the doctor for things that aren't life threatening at all.Complaining of symptoms that turn out quite mild sometime,simply because you can't swing a dead cat with out hearing the sky is falling and head for the hills type hype
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16679 on: December 22, 2021, 10:04:04 AM »
Quote from: MrNubbz on December 22, 2021, 09:58:29 AM
Watch that video,if you take D3 you have to take some K2 as these are usaully come hand in hand naturally.That Israeli DR got plenty of sun as he lives on the Mediteranean but still had low levels of D.Evidently have to be careful with K2 for sure
We get plenty of K2 from food. No need to supplement that one.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16680 on: December 22, 2021, 10:08:31 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on December 22, 2021, 10:04:04 AM
We get plenty of K2 from food. No need to supplement that one.
But that specialist said if your short you may have to and the only way to know for sure is a blood test.because if your getting plenty of K2 then you're prolly getting enough D.But if you're still on this side of the dirt you must be doing something right 😎
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16681 on: December 22, 2021, 10:16:08 AM »
Quote from: ELA on December 22, 2021, 09:57:50 AM
I never said they were taking up all the beds.  I said of the people being hospitalized for this, the vast, vast majority are the unvaccinated.  Don't deny them medical care, but only give them a bed if they aren't preventing someone else from getting one.

Is their data to support this?   

I hear it thrown out there anecdotally but many states have not released their actual data.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16682 on: December 22, 2021, 10:22:23 AM »
Newsom now plans to mandate healthcare workers to get the booster as well as the vaccine to be considered "fully vaccinated". 

Exactly how much evidence do we have that the booster makes any difference to Omicron? Because the vaccination, despite waning protection against infection over time to Delta, appears to remain robust at the goal--avoiding hospitalization and death. 

I'm pro-vaccine, and pro-booster, but I think these mandates are going too damn far. 
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16683 on: December 22, 2021, 10:27:45 AM »
Quote from: Honestbuckeye on December 22, 2021, 10:16:08 AM
Is their data to support this? 

I hear it thrown out there anecdotally but many states have not released their actual data.


God Damned Drug Companies would have you believe it.They have their place in society and science has done wonders but don't for one second think many these peddlers don't have ulterior motives
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16684 on: December 22, 2021, 10:38:51 AM »
Quote from: Honestbuckeye on December 22, 2021, 10:16:08 AM
Is their data to support this? 

I hear it thrown out there anecdotally but many states have not released their actual data.


Florida has an old population, and Covid patients comprise 5-10% of all ICU admissions.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16685 on: December 22, 2021, 10:39:39 AM »
Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on December 22, 2021, 10:22:23 AM
Newsom now plans to mandate healthcare workers to get the booster as well as the vaccine to be considered "fully vaccinated".

Exactly how much evidence do we have that the booster makes any difference to Omicron? Because the vaccination, despite waning protection against infection over time to Delta, appears to remain robust at the goal--avoiding hospitalization and death.

I'm pro-vaccine, and pro-booster, but I think these mandates are going too damn far.
Exactly.   I don’t know that there’s any authoritative evidence to suggest that the booster enhances your protection against Omnicron . 
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16686 on: December 22, 2021, 10:47:10 AM »
You guys are following this much closer than I am, but I understood that the booster isn't giving additional protection.  It is just trying to restore the original protection we got from the vaccine, which wanes over time.  I believe the original vaccine / booster (which is just a decreased dose of the vaccine really) will provide some protection against omicron, but is not specifically designed against that variant.

I know there have been talks about an omicron-specific vaccine, but I don't know that it's necessary at this point.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16687 on: December 22, 2021, 10:49:14 AM »
Based on everything I see from reliable* sources, Omicron is the beginning of the end of this pandemic.

March/April 2022, or so.


* not easy to find
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