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betarhoalphadelta

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16646 on: December 14, 2021, 06:36:54 PM »
I'm just curious how they would even go about enforcing that.Prolly many of the places where PDs were defunded
Generally it's enforced by the business. For example large companies like Costco or the local brands of Kroger/Safeway aren't going to just let you in unmasked if it's required by the state.

The businesses don't want to be fined, so you don't need gendarmes with truncheons at every entrance to stomp the citizens who don't comply--the businesses will tell people to mask up. 


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16647 on: December 14, 2021, 06:53:07 PM »
Generally it's enforced by the business. For example large companies like Costco or the local brands of Kroger/Safeway aren't going to just let you in unmasked if it's required by the state.

The businesses don't want to be fined, so you don't need gendarmes with truncheons at every entrance to stomp the citizens who don't comply--the businesses will tell people to mask up.



But can a business really be fined if they instruct a customer to mask up, and the customer refuses?  What's the business supposed to do?  As you say, they're not in the business of using gendarmes armed with truncheons to enforce store rules.  And, after a couple of widely publicized employee run-ins with unruly customers, most businesses around here specifically instructed their employees not to engage with customers at all.

They post signs, and might ask you as you enter to mask up, and if you don't, that's it.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16648 on: December 14, 2021, 07:32:59 PM »
But can a business really be fined if they instruct a customer to mask up, and the customer refuses?  What's the business supposed to do?  As you say, they're not in the business of using gendarmes armed with truncheons to enforce store rules.  And, after a couple of widely publicized employee run-ins with unruly customers, most businesses around here specifically instructed their employees not to engage with customers at all.

They post signs, and might ask you as you enter to mask up, and if you don't, that's it.
I think a lot of it has to do with making an attempt to comply.

For example, an In & Out Burger in San Francisco was closed because they basically did not even attempt to check vaccination status which what the SF requirement: https://www.npr.org/2021/10/20/1047638276/in-n-out-burger-san-francisco-vaccine-mandate

I suspect that here in OC, if a business like Costco is making sure that people are wearing masks when they walk in the building but a few people have them under their nose as they're going through the store, they wouldn't make an issue of it. But if Costco was letting anyone who wanted to walk in without a mask and people were just walking around the store with no mask with no repercussions, then there might be an issue. 

As with anything, you can attempt to punish every bit of non-compliance or you can focus on the egregious ones. I assume that only the egregious cases will attract any attention. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16649 on: December 14, 2021, 07:41:41 PM »
The Supreme Court turned away two emergency requests Monday from health care workers, doctors and nurses in New York to block the state's vaccine mandate.

Justices Samuel Alito, Neil Gorsuch and Clarence Thomas dissented.
The dispute arose when three nurses and a group called We the Patriots USA, Inc, challenged the mandate, arguing that it allowed exemptions for those with medical objections but not for people with religious objections.
The rule, which is currently in effect, covers workers in hospitals and nursing homes, home health agencies, adult centers as well as hospices. Several doctors who say they have treated many patients with Covid filed a separate request with the justices.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16650 on: December 14, 2021, 07:51:04 PM »
The Supreme Court turned away two emergency requests Monday from health care workers, doctors and nurses in New York to block the state's vaccine mandate.

Justices Samuel Alito, Neil Gorsuch and Clarence Thomas dissented.
The dispute arose when three nurses and a group called We the Patriots USA, Inc, challenged the mandate, arguing that it allowed exemptions for those with medical objections but not for people with religious objections.
The rule, which is currently in effect, covers workers in hospitals and nursing homes, home health agencies, adult centers as well as hospices. Several doctors who say they have treated many patients with Covid filed a separate request with the justices.

Interesting case...

https://reason.com/volokh/2021/12/13/what-did-governor-hochul-say-about-religion/

Appears to be somewhat of the inverse of the Masterpiece Cakeshop case. In that case the course didn't affirm the concept that a religious baker didn't have to bake a cake for a gay wedding, which a lot of people claimed. They said that the lower court ruling forcing the baker to do so was invalid because it was based on anti-religious animus, and thus wasn't fairly decided. 

This seems to be the opposite, at least from the standpoint of Gorsuch in dissent. The reasoning the new Governor publicly used to remove a religious exemption didn't appear to be based on a public health or legitimate government interest that overruled a religious exemption--it appeared to be a personal objection to the very idea of a religious exemption to a vaccine. 

Note: I have not actually read the majority opinion or the dissent--this is purely what I'm picking up from what I've read...

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16651 on: December 17, 2021, 09:24:09 AM »
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16652 on: December 17, 2021, 09:51:15 AM »
I'm calling this good news.


Omicron is dominant in wastewater samples in Florida county (msn.com)
I think so too

somebody needs to tell the media this is a good thing

all thats happening seems to be lock downs which is stupid
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16654 on: December 17, 2021, 12:44:30 PM »
This is really good news.

Breakthrough infections generate 'super immunity' to COVID-19, study suggests (medicalxpress.com)
Breakthrough infections generate 'super immunity' to COVID-19, study suggests (medicalxpress.com)
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16657 on: December 18, 2021, 09:46:06 AM »
There's the uptick I expected. The good news is that the ICU beds in the state are all <5% Covid. 

So, this thing could be starting to poop out, and become the common cold, if that.

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« Reply #16658 on: December 18, 2021, 09:47:00 AM »
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« Reply #16659 on: December 18, 2021, 08:25:06 PM »

 

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