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GopherRock

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16366 on: November 23, 2021, 09:38:45 AM »
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« Reply #16367 on: November 23, 2021, 09:48:24 AM »
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16368 on: November 23, 2021, 09:53:35 AM »
Quote from: FearlessF on November 23, 2021, 09:19:02 AM
why can't this be the clear message?
It is. Radio, TV, internet, media, the message is "get vaccinated". 

But some people have dunked their head so far up social media's ass that their ears are full of shit, and the message can't get through. 
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16369 on: November 23, 2021, 10:23:39 AM »
Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on November 23, 2021, 09:53:35 AM
It is. Radio, TV, internet, media, the message is "get vaccinated".

But some people have dunked their head so far up social media's ass that their ears are full of shit, and the message can't get through.
Like I keep saying, there is also masking messaging still going on.  It allows the anti-vax, anti-mask, anti-reason folks a chance to complain about something.

Therefore it is NOT a clear message. 

The message should be, and should have been since last January-- get vaccinated and you don't have to do any of the other stuff.


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16370 on: November 23, 2021, 10:28:31 AM »
apparently the handwashing sanitizing message has been dropped

it's OK to lick public toilets again?  asking for a friend
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16371 on: November 23, 2021, 10:33:26 AM »
Quote from: FearlessF on November 23, 2021, 10:28:31 AM
apparently the handwashing sanitizing message has been dropped

it's OK to lick public toilets again?  asking for a friend
I still hear it, but the past two years have proven out pretty well that delivery by surface contact isn't really much of a thing.

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« Reply #16372 on: November 23, 2021, 10:35:48 AM »
Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on November 23, 2021, 09:53:35 AM
It is. Radio, TV, internet, media, the message is "get vaccinated".

But some people have dunked their head so far up social media's ass that their ears are full of shit, and the message can't get through.
it's not social media that is the problem.

people rightly- have zero confidence in Fauci- who has been dishonest at every single turn. the guy should resign or be fired- and they should get someone else in there to apologize for the previous guy- and try to rebuild trust and regain credibility. 

you also have political parties that have politicized a virus and vaccine to the Nth degree. when bad orange man was still in office you had people like pelosi, biden, harris - all saying things like they don't trust this vaccine blah blah blah. now they are the ones touting it. they were speaking out of both sides of their mouth- this does not exactly instill public trust in their leaders/public institutions when they do shit like this. 

the problem is also the mainstream media- who constantly use scare tactics and fear porn- and people see through it and are tired of it. and then you have morons in the media with tv shows like don lemon saying people who aren't vaccinated should be ostracized, not allowed into super markets or participate in society. nobody likes being talked down to, ridiculed, or have condescending elites in the media try and tell them what to do or how to live their lives. this just pushed people away in droves.

the problem is with our public institutions/leaders and the mainstream media. they continue to fail the public and they are so god awful that much of the public is just done with them. 
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« Reply #16373 on: November 23, 2021, 10:55:33 AM »
Quote from: utee94 on November 23, 2021, 10:23:39 AM
Like I keep saying, there is also masking messaging still going on.  It allows the anti-vax, anti-mask, anti-reason folks a chance to complain about something.

Therefore it is NOT a clear message. 

The message should be, and should have been since last January-- get vaccinated and you don't have to do any of the other stuff.
I get ya. But the problem with the "carrot and stick" approach is that nobody enforces the stick. 

Here in Orange County, the official rule is that vaccinated people can go about their business, at stores, restaurants, workplaces, etc, without a mask and those who are unvaccinated must be masked. It's not enforced. Nobody complains, though. The vaccinated are just happy they don't have to wear masks. The unvaccinated aren't wearing masks and aren't going to complain that it's not being enforced on them. So the policy is stupid because it's not enforced, nobody gets the "stick", so there's no "carrot" as incentive to actually get vaxxed.

The alternate is going on in LA County. Because it wasn't being enforced, they created rules that basically said you can't engage in civil society if you're unvaccinated. Not "if you go into a restaurant you have to wear a mask", but "you can't go into a restaurant unless you prove your vax status." So everyone has to walk around "showing their papers" just to go into a store, restaurant, etc, and then they STILL make you wear a mask. So because they can't enforce the "stick" without draconian measures, there's no "carrot". 

So I get the message, and that's the message we have in Orange County... Get the vax, and you don't have to wear the mask. And people said "I'm not getting the vax, and I'm not going to wear a mask, because nobody will make me."
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16374 on: November 23, 2021, 10:58:22 AM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on November 23, 2021, 10:35:48 AM
it's not social media that is the problem.

people rightly- have zero confidence in Fauci- who has been dishonest at every single turn. the guy should resign or be fired- and they should get someone else in there to apologize for the previous guy- and try to rebuild trust and regain credibility.

you also have political parties that have politicized a virus and vaccine to the Nth degree. when bad orange man was still in office you had people like pelosi, biden, harris - all saying things like they don't trust this vaccine blah blah blah. now they are the ones touting it. they were speaking out of both sides of their mouth- this does not exactly instill public trust in their leaders/public institutions when they do shit like this.

the problem is also the mainstream media- who constantly use scare tactics and fear porn- and people see through it and are tired of it. and then you have morons in the media with tv shows like don lemon saying people who aren't vaccinated should be ostracized, not allowed into super markets or participate in society. nobody likes being talked down to, ridiculed, or have condescending elites in the media try and tell them what to do or how to live their lives. this just pushed people away in droves.

the problem is with our public institutions/leaders and the mainstream media. they continue to fail the public and they are so god awful that much of the public is just done with them.
So your argument is that there's no point in there being "a message", because the people whose ears are full of shit aren't going to listen to it from any entity capable of delivering the message.

So who do they turn to? Uncle Lou on Facebook? Alex Jones? Literally any crackpot who isn't credentialed, because credentialism is what they object to?
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16375 on: November 23, 2021, 11:17:09 AM »
Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on November 23, 2021, 10:55:33 AM
I get ya. But the problem with the "carrot and stick" approach is that nobody enforces the stick.

Here in Orange County, the official rule is that vaccinated people can go about their business, at stores, restaurants, workplaces, etc, without a mask and those who are unvaccinated must be masked. It's not enforced. Nobody complains, though. The vaccinated are just happy they don't have to wear masks. The unvaccinated aren't wearing masks and aren't going to complain that it's not being enforced on them. So the policy is stupid because it's not enforced, nobody gets the "stick", so there's no "carrot" as incentive to actually get vaxxed.

The alternate is going on in LA County. Because it wasn't being enforced, they created rules that basically said you can't engage in civil society if you're unvaccinated. Not "if you go into a restaurant you have to wear a mask", but "you can't go into a restaurant unless you prove your vax status." So everyone has to walk around "showing their papers" just to go into a store, restaurant, etc, and then they STILL make you wear a mask. So because they can't enforce the "stick" without draconian measures, there's no "carrot".

So I get the message, and that's the message we have in Orange County... Get the vax, and you don't have to wear the mask. And people said "I'm not getting the vax, and I'm not going to wear a mask, because nobody will make me."

And that's fine.  Those people aren't ever going to get the vax anyway. It's a free country (outside of LA County, I guess).
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16376 on: November 23, 2021, 11:19:59 AM »
Quote from: utee94 on November 23, 2021, 11:17:09 AM
And that's fine.  Those people aren't ever going to get the vax anyway. It's a free country (outside of LA County, I guess).
Ok then. So your point is that the message doesn't matter either. Tell someone that if they get the vax they don't have to wear a mask, but since there's no enforcement, it's an empty promise/threat. 

So the message should simply be "get the vax."
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16377 on: November 23, 2021, 11:20:20 AM »
I will say that at this point, I don't even think about bringing a mask with me anywhere. 

Most places around here have signs up that say "Please wear a mask" and then in much smaller letters "No mask required if vaccinated."

But if a place REALLY wants me to wear a mask, then they're going to need to start providing the mask for me. Because it's no longer something I even think about taking with me.

This would obviously  be different for a flight, of course.  I haven't yet flown anywhere, and if I did under the current restrictions, of course I'd bring a mask.

But for local businesses and such, if they really want folks to wear masks, they'll need to start providing them.
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« Reply #16378 on: November 23, 2021, 11:23:02 AM »
Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on November 23, 2021, 11:19:59 AM
Ok then. So your point is that the message doesn't matter either. Tell someone that if they get the vax they don't have to wear a mask, but since there's no enforcement, it's an empty promise/threat.

So the message should simply be "get the vax."
I believe the second part of the message would have worked on some people, 11 months ago.  But to MDot's point, now, there's so much water under the bridge, that the lines are drawn and nobody's going to change their minds.

So now? Yeah, the only message should continue to be, Get The Vax.  Anything beyond that confuses the message and gives the assholes an additional item to complain about.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16379 on: November 23, 2021, 11:30:13 AM »
Blaming the media for one's own bad decisions is a cop-out at best and rank cowardice at worst. No one made you do it. 

As for the declining faith in public institutions...


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