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ELA

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16324 on: November 18, 2021, 10:06:06 PM »
Lansing's medical system is Code Red for the first time during the pandemic
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16325 on: November 18, 2021, 10:14:01 PM »
Quote from: ELA on November 18, 2021, 10:06:06 PM
Lansing's medical system is Code Red for the first time during the pandemic
just looking at the hospitalization data it doesnt look like covid is the cause


https://www.michigan.gov/coronavirus/0,9753,7-406-98159-523641--,00.html
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16326 on: November 19, 2021, 09:39:57 AM »
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16327 on: November 19, 2021, 09:50:11 AM »
I'm right at 6 months since my second shot, as of today.  I hadn't planned on getting the booster just yet, but we're traveling to New Mexico for Christmas so it might be a good time to go ahead with it.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16328 on: November 19, 2021, 09:51:41 AM »
I got it, had no impact on me this time.  I'm expecting to get another in 6-8 months.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16329 on: November 19, 2021, 09:59:38 AM »
Yes here in Florida they are very proactive and will let me know as soon as it’s available, at which time I will go right ahead and get it. 
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16330 on: November 19, 2021, 10:00:34 AM »
Quote from: utee94 on November 19, 2021, 09:50:11 AM
I'm right at 6 months since my second shot, as of today.  I hadn't planned on getting the booster just yet, but we're traveling to New Mexico for Christmas so it might be a good time to go ahead with it.
you told Badge he didn't need one for travel
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16331 on: November 19, 2021, 10:01:21 AM »
Quote from: FearlessF on November 19, 2021, 10:00:34 AM
you told Badge he didn't need one for travel
There is need one, legally, versus need one as being a good idea.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16332 on: November 19, 2021, 10:02:29 AM »
utee didn't seem to think it was a good idea a few weeks ago

Badge disagreed 
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16333 on: November 19, 2021, 10:15:58 AM »
Quote from: FearlessF on November 19, 2021, 10:02:29 AM
utee didn't seem to think it was a good idea a few weeks ago

Badge disagreed
I don't think I ever said it was a bad idea.  Just not really a necessity.

I'm obviously not overly worried about it and I'm certainly not rushing out to do it.  But if it's easy, I'll probably knock it out.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16334 on: November 19, 2021, 11:38:36 AM »
study in Israel suggest that fully vaccinated people were TWENTY SEVEN times more likely to get an symptomatic covid infection than an an unvaccinated person who had already caught covid and recovered, suggesting that natural immunity is much stronger and longer lasting than vaccine-induced immunity.

https://www.newsweek.com/how-fauci-fooled-america-opinion-1643839

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1

https://brownstone.org/articles/a-review-and-autopsy-of-two-covid-immunity-studies/
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16335 on: November 19, 2021, 11:41:48 AM »
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Sadly, this is true. Big food is big business- and they spend billions lobbying in DC every year to maintain status quo. 
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16336 on: November 19, 2021, 11:48:22 AM »
Quote from: FearlessF on November 18, 2021, 05:16:11 PM
In Detroit, where only 35% of eligible residents were fully vaccinated, the school district said it would switch to online learning on Fridays in December because of rising COVID-19 cases, a need to clean buildings and a timeout for “mental health relief.” One high school has changed to all online learning until Nov. 29.
The population of Detroit is literally like 90% black, if not higher.

This gets to another point- media seems to love to imply and push a false narrative that it's all white trash redneck Trump QAnon people who are not getting the vaccines- therefore they should be ostracized, ridiculed, even not allowed to participate in society- but it's the minority population that are not getting the vaccines in huge numbers.

NYC has put in place a vaccine "passport" in order to go into restaurants, bars, gyms- and I believe only 20 some percent of the black population in New York City has been vaccinated.

Just another case of media distorting reality that I find both astonishing and frightening.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16337 on: November 19, 2021, 11:54:49 AM »
Quote from: utee94 on November 19, 2021, 10:15:58 AM
I don't think I ever said it was a bad idea.  Just not really a necessity.

I'm obviously not overly worried about it and I'm certainly not rushing out to do it.  But if it's easy, I'll probably knock it out.
Quote from: Mdot21 on November 19, 2021, 11:38:36 AM
study in Israel suggest that fully vaccinated people were TWENTY SEVEN times more likely to get an symptomatic covid infection than an an unvaccinated person who had already caught covid and recovered, suggesting that natural immunity is much stronger and longer lasting than vaccine-induced immunity.

Yeah, we've seen that study. 

Here's what we know:

  • Natural immunity is better than vaccine-derived immunity.
  • Vaccine-derived immunity is significant at reducing hospitalizations/deaths, but less effective and for shorter duration at preventing infection.
  • Natural immunity followed by vaccination appears to be better than either alone.

But that leaves a case that isn't clear... Is the immunity conferred by being vaccinated and then experiencing a COVID infection post-vaccination as strong and/or durable as that of natural immunity due to infection prior to being vaccinated? 

A booster might give more protection against infection, but for what duration and given that the vaccine seems to be pretty durable at reducing hospitalization/death rates, would it be smarter to simply take my chances and try to get more durable immunity now that I'm vaccinated, by exposure in the wild? 

I don't know... I'll probably end up getting the booster, but I wish we knew more about the relative immunity conferred by natural infection when already vaccinated. 
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