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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16282 on: November 18, 2021, 09:22:03 AM »

The company studied its pill in people who were unvaccinated and faced the worst risks from the virus due to age or health problems, such as obesity.

It's not a popular thing to say, but I think folks around here can have an honest discussion about this-- one of the main problems with COVID19, is that it so severely affects people with comorbidities.  And here in the USA, one of the most common and problematic comorbidities, is obesity.

I'm not trying to discount the severity of COVID19, but it has been significantly exacerbated by the problem of obesity in our population.

I believe we need much stronger messaging from health officials about this problem.  I believe we're currently very soft on it-- it's come to the point where there is a widespread social justice movement that actually focuses on protecting the feelings of obese people.  There is propaganda and rhetoric that there are all kinds of "healthy bodies" and that fat people can be healthy too.

They can't.  They aren't.  It's a massive issue.  And it's significantly affecting the deadliness of this virus in our country.

Surprisingly, the studies show that smoking doesn't seem to affect the severity of this virus at all.  But obesity most certainly does.

We need to take it MUCH more seriously.



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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16283 on: November 18, 2021, 09:25:13 AM »
It's not a popular thing to say, but I think folks around here can have an honest discussion about this-- one of the main problems with COVID19, is that it so severely affects people with comorbidities.  And here in the USA, one of the most common and problematic comorbidities, is obesity.

I'm not trying to discount the severity of COVID19, but it has been significantly exacerbated by the problem of obesity in our population.

I believe we need much stronger messaging from health officials about this problem.  I believe we're currently very soft on it-- it's come to the point where there is a widespread social justice movement that actually focuses on protecting the feelings of obese people.  There is propaganda and rhetoric that there are all kinds of "healthy bodies" and that fat people can be healthy too.

They can't.  They aren't.  It's a massive issue.  And it's significantly affecting the deadliness of this virus in our country.

Surprisingly, the studies show that smoking doesn't seem to affect the severity of this virus at all.  But obesity most certainly does.

We need to take it MUCH more seriously.
Isn't that exactly why "liberal havens" enact things like soda pop taxes and bans?

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16284 on: November 18, 2021, 09:28:25 AM »
Isn't that exactly why "liberal havens" enact things like soda pop taxes and bans?
I guess?  Does it work?  Does it make any difference?

Or are there other routes that could be more effective?

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« Reply #16285 on: November 18, 2021, 09:33:18 AM »
shaming and humiliation probably more effective, but don't raise money for the government like taxes
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16286 on: November 18, 2021, 09:34:23 AM »
I see no "cure" for obesity.  I go to Walmart about once a month for some staples and see what folks have in their carts, we all do.

Interestingly, folks I see on the streets here appear to be in pretty decent shape (some of the ladies in excellent shape).  This is a very walkable area with a lot of 30somethings and many have dogs.  It's almost like spending time in France and coming back here, it really hits you in the airport how fat we are in comparison.

And I'm not one to talk but I'm not obviously overweight.  Wally World of course is the place to see obesity.

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« Reply #16287 on: November 18, 2021, 09:34:47 AM »
I guess?  Does it work?  Does it make any difference?

Or are there other routes that could be more effective?
No idea, but I'm not sure I agree that society isn't taking it seriously - can't swing a cat without hitting a gym or new diet plan or whatever. Maybe they take it too seriously.

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« Reply #16288 on: November 18, 2021, 09:37:11 AM »
I see no "cure" for obesity.  I go to Walmart about once a month for some staples and see what folks have in their carts, we all do.

Interestingly, folks I see on the streets here appear to be in pretty decent shape (some of the ladies in excellent shape).  This is a very walkable area with a lot of 30somethings and many have dogs.  It's almost like spending time in France and coming back here, it really hits you in the airport how fat we are in comparison.

And I'm not one to talk but I'm not obviously overweight.  Wally World of course is the place to see obesity.
True, but I'm also shocked every time I go back to France after a 5-year break or so, and see how much fatter they're getting, too.  My first trip to Europe was in 1995, and comparing the relative size of the people then, compared to my most recent trip a couple of years ago, is jaw-dropping.

They're not as fat as we are, but they're accelerating at an alarming rate.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16289 on: November 18, 2021, 09:40:42 AM »
It's not a popular thing to say, but I think folks around here can have an honest discussion about this-- one of the main problems with COVID19, is that it so severely affects people with comorbidities.  And here in the USA, one of the most common and problematic comorbidities, is obesity.

I'm not trying to discount the severity of COVID19, but it has been significantly exacerbated by the problem of obesity in our population.

I believe we need much stronger messaging from health officials about this problem.  I believe we're currently very soft on it-- it's come to the point where there is a widespread social justice movement that actually focuses on protecting the feelings of obese people.  There is propaganda and rhetoric that there are all kinds of "healthy bodies" and that fat people can be healthy too.

They can't.  They aren't.  It's a massive issue.  And it's significantly affecting the deadliness of this virus in our country.

Surprisingly, the studies show that smoking doesn't seem to affect the severity of this virus at all.  But obesity most certainly does.

We need to take it MUCH more seriously.
amen brother. 

FDA can start by banning all the chemicals and additives EU bans in their food sources. I also think there should be some sort of fast food tax on both companies and consumers- which discourages companies from putting fast food locations on every single corner of every single street in this country and discourages people from eating that garbage. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16290 on: November 18, 2021, 09:41:55 AM »
No idea, but I'm not sure I agree that society isn't taking it seriously - can't swing a cat without hitting a gym or new diet plan or whatever. Maybe they take it too seriously.

And yet there are strong social justice movements promoting obese people as "another kind of healthy body" and many that take it even further, into fit-shaming people that are actually making efforts through diet and exercise, to stay healthy.

We're not allowed to call obese people "fat" anymore, it's insensitive and it might hurt their feelings. I can face the truth, there are times in my life when I've been up to 215 lbs.  At 5'10", my ideal weight is about 160. I've been outright fat.

I'm not even where I need to be currently, but I face reality and know when I'm heading off the path.  I straighten out the nutrition plan, get back to exercise, and move toward my health goals.

Far too many people have NOBODY telling them that their current diet and lack of exercise are the reasons they're unhealthy.

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« Reply #16291 on: November 18, 2021, 09:44:13 AM »
And yet there are strong social justice movements promoting obese people as "another kind of healthy body" and many that take it even further, into fit-shaming people that are actually making efforts through diet and exercise, to stay healthy.

We're not allowed to call obese people "fat" anymore, it's insensitive and it might hurt their feelings. I can face the truth, there are times in my life when I've been up to 215 lbs.  At 5'10", my ideal weight is about 160. I've been outright fat.

I'm not even where I need to be currently, but I face reality and know when I'm heading off the path.  I straighten out the nutrition plan, get back to exercise, and move toward my health goals.

Far too many people have NOBODY telling them that their current diet and lack of exercise are the reasons they're unhealthy.
it's the woke social justice twitter mob for you. these people all need to die.

Adele lost a shit ton of weight and looks FAN-F**KNG-TASTIC- and she got blasted by those morons all over the internet for "conforming to the corrupt patriarchy's impossible and unrealistic standards of unattainable beauty!" - nah bro she just got healthy.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16292 on: November 18, 2021, 09:45:50 AM »
I think folks making these claims are a very distinct minority not taken very seriously by others.

Noise, not numbers.  And not even much noise.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16293 on: November 18, 2021, 09:49:03 AM »
I think folks making these claims are a very distinct minority not taken very seriously by others.

Noise, not numbers.  And not even much noise.
that may be true- but it gets amplified by all the idiots in online and tv media who love to stir up shit so they write stories displaying tweets by random idiots or throw them up on their shitty tv shows- to try to get the people watching/reading thinking this is what large amount of people on the twitter-net actually feel/think. 

I cannot tell you how much I hate when I'm reading an article or watching a tv news program and they put up tweets from random assholes on the internet. It's like....who really gives a shit what any of these people say- and why are you parroting/promoting what a bunch of random retards on the internet say? 

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« Reply #16295 on: November 18, 2021, 09:52:10 AM »
I think folks making these claims are a very distinct minority not taken very seriously by others.

Noise, not numbers.  And not even much noise.

If you're talking about the general chatter about how being fat can be healthy, I think you're wrong.  Dead wrong.  Literally.

It's very much a part of the PC culture that has firmly taken root in our country, to make excuses and allowances for obese people. 

To your earlier point about what can be done about it?  I don't know.  Maybe the US Surgeon General can ask Big Bird to tweet about it.

 

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