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Topic: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16254 on: November 14, 2021, 10:20:17 AM »
yeah I too am surprised the food sucked in Portugal.  I've never been, but the proximity to Spain where I've had many fabulous meals, would lead me to believe the food should also be good in Portugal.


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16255 on: November 14, 2021, 10:27:09 AM »
Guy Fieri could find the good food in Portugal
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16256 on: November 14, 2021, 11:40:09 AM »
BERLIN (AP) — The Austrian government has ordered a nationwide lockdown for unvaccinated people starting at midnight Sunday to combat rising coronavirus infections and deaths.

The move prohibits unvaccinated people 12 and older from leaving their homes except for basic activities such as working, grocery shopping, going for a walk — or getting vaccinated.

Authorities are concerned about rising infections and deaths and that soon hospital staff will no longer be able to handle the growing influx of COVID-19 patients.

“It’s our job as the government of Austria to protect the people,” Chancellor Alexander Schallenberg told reporters in Vienna on Sunday. “Therefore we decided that starting Monday ... there will be a lockdown for the unvaccinated.”

The lockdown affects about 2 million people in the Alpine country of 8.9 million, the APA news agency reported. It doesn’t apply to children under 12 because they cannot yet officially get vaccinated.


The lockdown will initially last for 10 days and police will go on patrol to check people outside to make sure they are vaccinated, Schallenberg said, adding that additional forces will be assigned to the patrols.

Unvaccinated people can be fined up to 1,450 euros ($1,660) if they violate the lockdown.

Austria has one of the lowest vaccination rates in Western Europe: only around 65% of the total population is fully vaccinated. In recent weeks, Austria has faced a worrying rise in infections. Authorities reported 11,552 new cases on Sunday; a week ago there were 8,554 new daily infections.

Deaths have also been increasing in recent weeks. On Sunday, 17 new deaths were reported. Overall, Austria’s pandemic death toll stands at 11,706, APA reported.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16257 on: November 14, 2021, 05:15:28 PM »
we live in a clown world. vaccination status does not prevent a person from infection/transmission- it can slow transmission down some- how much is not really clear- and it's been proven to help prevent serious illness symptoms- but that's all it can do at best- it's not going to stop this virus- and over-vaccination theoretically could put so much evolutionary pressure on this virus to mutate and evolve into something nastier than it already is.


you cannot vaccinate your way out of this thing- it's endemic- everyone will be getting it, period. forcing it on people just seems dumb to me. if you're worried about covid- go get the vaccine- it's proven to be effective at minimizing serious illness.

i think we really screwed up the vaccines- should've used it more like we use flu vaccines- used it more strategically and surgically on those most at need/risk around the world. there are large parts of africa and southeast asia where at risk people (elderly, pre-existing conditions) who really need this vaccine haven't been able to get access to it at all. instead of trying to force it on children in america- CDC admits children have a higher chance of dying from the flu than from covid. Survivability rate in children from this virus is 99.9+% - deploy it in poor countries in africa and southeast asia where they have elderly/pre-existing condition populations that desperately need it and the protection it provides the most at risk.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16258 on: November 15, 2021, 07:43:49 AM »
I think the public health "experts" were trying to calculate R naught with wide spread vaccinations so as to eliminate (almost) the virus.  That has not worked obviously, and I lean to agreeing the effort should be refocused.  In THEORY, 95% vaccine rate should eliminate it, but that isn't practicable.

I'm surprised that a 70% vaccine rate is not able to diminish this significantly, I take it as evidence that vaccine effectiveness wanes fairly fast and breakthroughs are fairly common, if not serious.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16259 on: November 15, 2021, 10:02:00 AM »
certainly didn't need Delta to cause trouble

things may have been better
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16262 on: November 17, 2021, 09:18:40 PM »
Noted lefty and science denier.  Nice try.
Not sure who is the lefty or what that has to do with anything. I find it interesting that a deep dive into the research finds that worm medicine does have a positive effect against COVID, if you have worms. I didn't think of that connection but it makes a lot of sense.

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« Reply #16263 on: November 17, 2021, 09:29:35 PM »
Noted lefty and science denier.  Nice try.
Scott Alexander is absolutely a lefty, but he's no science denier. One of the brightest and most interesting writers I've come across in the last few years. 

If you've read him previously, you'd note that his conclusions are refreshingly free of clinging to bias. He'll be honest when the evidence points exactly opposite of his own political priors. 

Not to say you have to agree with him, but regardless of where you fit on the political spectrum, you can learn a lot from reading his stuff. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16264 on: November 17, 2021, 09:45:26 PM »
Noted lefty and science denier.  Nice try.
Robby Soave definitely a science denier in some instances- but he's far from a lefty. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16265 on: November 17, 2021, 09:48:56 PM »
Not sure who is the lefty or what that has to do with anything. I find it interesting that a deep dive into the research finds that worm medicine does have a positive effect against COVID, if you have worms. I didn't think of that connection but it makes a lot of sense.

It's pretty simple brother, ivermectin is out of patent- anyone can manufacture it and it sells for about 3 to 10 cents a pill. There's no way for anyone to make any money off of it. Pfizer's new drug which is a protease inhibitor- and works in a similar fashion to how the ivermectin molecule works against covid- will sell for $400-500 a pill- not to be outdone- Merck has a covid pill that will sell for around $700, per pill- and these companies will literally make hundreds of billions of dollars from this new drug over a 20 year period (that's how long the patents last).

Please watch this entire video. Everyone absolutely should. This man is a scientist- who only follows the science.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufy2AweXRkc

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16266 on: November 17, 2021, 09:49:43 PM »
Robby Soave definitely a science denier in some instances- but he's far from a lefty.
Robby Soave is some sort of a libertarian, since he writes for Reason. Scott Alexander is definitely (and admittedly) a lefty, and writes his own stuff which isn't expressly partisan. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16267 on: November 18, 2021, 01:50:57 AM »
Brett Bielema will miss Saturday's game in Iowa City after he came down with a break through case of COVID-19. I have not heard of others in Illinois football who came down with it, but usually, others do follow, especially with Delta.

 

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