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Topic: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas

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utee94

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16184 on: November 03, 2021, 01:20:33 PM »
I think we can quite frankly make the leap from discussing vaccines to discussing vaccine mandates and their effects on employment. We seemed to handle that with the airline questions successfully. I think we can point out that there may be some impact on the world supply chain issues we've been seeing that were due to COVID as well, and those are fair game.

However, when we accuse each other of being pro-shoplifting or start discussing the need for the national guard to handle violence in Chicago, I think that's where things go too far.

At this time, employment reductions due to resistance to vaccination appears to be in the "oh, that's interesting and some effects are mildly annoying" level and not in the "it's resulting in a complete breakdown of society because nobody is working" level. That's hyperbole.

So let's discuss real effects, and tamp down the hyperbole.

The problem is, this is where it inevitably goes.

I looked back over the discussion from last night, thinking I might have been a little quick on the draw, but am now convinced that shutting down that line of discussion was the correct action.

It falls under the category heading of, "This is why we can't have nice things."

Somebody invariably takes it too far.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16185 on: November 03, 2021, 01:28:22 PM »
At this time, employment reductions due to resistance to vaccination appears to be in the "oh, that's interesting and some effects are mildly annoying" level and not in the "it's resulting in a complete breakdown of society because nobody is working" level. That's hyperbole.

So let's discuss real effects, and tamp down the hyperbole.
thanks, that's all I was saying
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16186 on: November 03, 2021, 01:56:30 PM »
thanks, that's all I was saying
And if that's exactly what had been said, without all the other stuff, then I wouldn't have asked for a change in topic direction. :)

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16187 on: November 03, 2021, 02:04:52 PM »
I think we can quite frankly make the leap from discussing vaccines to discussing vaccine mandates and their effects on employment. We seemed to handle that with the airline questions successfully. I think we can point out that there may be some impact on the world supply chain issues we've been seeing that were due to COVID as well, and those are fair game.

However, when we accuse each other of being pro-shoplifting or start discussing the need for the national guard to handle violence in Chicago, I think that's where things go too far.

At this time, employment reductions due to resistance to vaccination appears to be in the "oh, that's interesting and some effects are mildly annoying" level and not in the "it's resulting in a complete breakdown of society because nobody is working" level. That's hyperbole.

So let's discuss real effects, and tamp down the hyperbole.
Sorry but this is off-limits according to our administrator. I’m going to assume that rule applies equally to everyone

As he stated yesterday, nobody wants to hear the political narrative you are clearly driving here.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16188 on: November 03, 2021, 02:06:24 PM »
And if that's exactly what had been said, without all the other stuff, then I wouldn't have asked for a change in topic direction. :)

just trying, poorly, to illustrate a point
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16189 on: November 03, 2021, 02:07:46 PM »
Rules are for everyone.  

That was the most politically narrative post in this part of the thread yet. Just waiting for UT to confirm it’s off-limits.   
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16190 on: November 03, 2021, 02:09:02 PM »
gotta remember, utee sides with the Michigan men ;)
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16191 on: November 03, 2021, 02:30:29 PM »
Rules are for everyone. 

That was the most politically narrative post in this part of the thread yet. Just waiting for UT to confirm it’s off-limits. 
What are you referring to?

gotta remember, utee sides with the Michigan men ;)

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16192 on: November 03, 2021, 02:32:15 PM »
Sorry but this is off-limits according to our administrator. I’m going to assume that rule applies equally to everyone

As he stated yesterday, nobody wants to hear the political narrative you are clearly driving here.

No mentions of shoplifting or national guard in Chicago or any other extraneous bullcrap.  (OTher than decrying the mentions of shoplifting and national guard and other extraneous bullcrap)

If you can't see the difference, then I can't help you.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16193 on: November 03, 2021, 02:47:59 PM »
Seems like this thread is running its course. Most of us agree on everything, almost. We don't like mandates but we like the vaccine. We don't like masks, but wear them when asked. We are pro-business, while being careful/mindful with health.

What say the group?
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16194 on: November 03, 2021, 02:48:43 PM »
No mentions of shoplifting or national guard in Chicago or any other extraneous bullcrap.  (OTher than decrying the mentions of shoplifting and national guard and other extraneous bullcrap)

If you can't see the difference, then I can't help you.
Wow.  Ok, I don’t think I’m the one who needs help here but I’ll play your way. 

that means I can quote his post since it’s OK and respond to it and so I will.  
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16195 on: November 03, 2021, 02:49:49 PM »
Seems like this thread is running its course. Most of us agree on everything, almost. We don't like mandates but we like the vaccine. We don't like masks, but wear them when asked. We are pro-business, while being careful/mindful with health.

What say the group?
I would vote for that in a heartbeat. I’m tired of reading extremely political narratives here but being told when I respond to them that only my response is a political narrative. Such a hypocritical approach.  It rings familiar though. 
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16196 on: November 03, 2021, 02:52:08 PM »
I think we can quite frankly make the leap from discussing vaccines to discussing vaccine mandates and their effects on employment. We seemed to handle that with the airline questions successfully. I think we can point out that there may be some impact on the world supply chain issues we've been seeing that were due to COVID as well, and those are fair game.

However, when we accuse each other of being pro-shoplifting or start discussing the need for the national guard to handle violence in Chicago, I think that's where things go too far.

At this time, employment reductions due to resistance to vaccination appears to be in the "oh, that's interesting and some effects are mildly annoying" level and not in the "it's resulting in a complete breakdown of society because nobody is working" level. That's hyperbole.

So let's discuss real effects, and tamp down the hyperbole.
Nobody came even close to accusing anyone of anything/ But you know that and I think you can do better.

Nobody even came close to saying this was a complete societal breakdown, but you know that. I think you can do better.

Talk about hyperbole.   
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16197 on: November 03, 2021, 03:19:18 PM »
It’s interesting how this is tightly tied to this specific vaccine. Like, there are probably some vaccines we could mostly agree you should have to have to work in certain professions (a nurse who can get smallpox seems like a real worry).

Down the road, I wonder about the fallout. Like, everyone of us is probably vaxxed up to the hilt. With the way these discussions are going, to more folks opt out of giving their kids more traditionally accepted vaccines?
Except that no one gets the smallpox vaccine anymore.  I believe it was discontinued sometime in the 70s in the US.  Most people don't have the circular scar on their upper arm anymore.  Might pick a different disease for an example.

 

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