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fine with me

I don’t feel politics was even remotely discussed, or even inferred. And completely civil as well. 

Feels like goalposts moving again   

But…… as you wish. 

Give me a break.  Do you think we can't see the agendas you're driving with your comments that are completely unrelated to the actual CORONAVIRUS which is the topic of this thread????

You two are bringing up all sorts of unrelated topics like shoplifters and the national guard in Chicago.

There are plenty of places to discuss that stuff.  This thread isn't the place.

Just stahp it.  You're not fooling anyone.

I felt the discussion was regarding vax mandates and the effect of individual's rights to oppose those mandates, but obviously this thread title doesn't include Vaccines or mandates, so I'm happy to take the discussion elsewhere  or simply drop it

wasn't about shoplifters or the national guard or politics in my view, but my view it's the only view

I hear you, and yet it WAS about shoplifters and the national guard.  Those are your very quotes. 

Anyway, I think you guys should know-- should be able to figure out by now-- when you're headed out of bounds.

I think it's pretty obvious at this point, where the actual value in this thread can be found, and on the flipside, when the discussion is getting political and non-productive.

You're all smart people.  

Mostly.

You're all smart people. 

Mostly.

mostly

My fault.

Vaccine efficacy and so forth?  Sure.  Knock yourself out.

I think we can quite frankly make the leap from discussing vaccines to discussing vaccine mandates and their effects on employment. We seemed to handle that with the airline questions successfully. I think we can point out that there may be some impact on the world supply chain issues we've been seeing that were due to COVID as well, and those are fair game. 

However, when we accuse each other of being pro-shoplifting or start discussing the need for the national guard to handle violence in Chicago, I think that's where things go too far. 

At this time, employment reductions due to resistance to vaccination appears to be in the "oh, that's interesting and some effects are mildly annoying" level and not in the "it's resulting in a complete breakdown of society because nobody is working" level. That's hyperbole.

So let's discuss real effects, and tamp down the hyperbole.