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Mdot21

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16128 on: November 01, 2021, 12:16:01 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on October 29, 2021, 08:25:42 AM
This is very interesting.

How Bad Is Delta Variant? Vaccinated, Unvaccinated People Can Spread It: Study - Bloomberg
which is why I've been saying for awhile now that these vaccine mandates are pointless. this thing is not going away- period- these vaccines DO NOT stop the spread.

these vaccines are ineffective at stopping spread as they are imperfect, leaky vaccines- therefore essentially worthless if you ask me.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16129 on: November 01, 2021, 12:16:32 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on October 29, 2021, 09:25:01 AM
For sure.  I don't think there's anything new here that hasn't already been determined, or at least speculated from reasonable interpretation of ongoing events.  But I do want to see more studies verifying.

The virus and especially Delta variant can infect vaccinated individuals, and can be transmitted by vaccinated individuals.  But the cases for vaccinated individuals are milder in symptoms and shorter in duration.

Like I've said before, we need to stop worrying about infection/case rates, and focus on actual sickness.  The virus is becoming endemic, and will be with us forever.  We've projected that this would happen for well over a year now.

We need to stop suggesting to people to become vaccinated to help with herd immunity, and change the focus entirely to: "Getting the vaccine goes a long way toward keeping you out of the hospital."
yup.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16130 on: November 01, 2021, 12:18:48 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on October 29, 2021, 09:34:03 AM
That doesn't play well with parents of kids being asked to vaccinated them in many cases.  They see that kids don't get sick often, and don't realize they can be spreaders.
kids will be spreaders regardless of vaccination status. how the vaccines will affect their bodies is still an unknown. these vaccine will prevent serious symptoms- at best. the risk of children getting seriously ill or being hospitalized by COVID is virtually non-existent. therefore it makes ZERO sense to force them to be vaccinated if you ask me. 

Nordic countries have already flat out banned/pulled Moderna and Pfizer vaccines from being used on children due to high rates of myocarditis induced by these vaccines. 
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16131 on: November 01, 2021, 12:20:00 PM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on November 01, 2021, 12:18:48 PM
Nordic countries have already flat out banned/pulled Moderna and Pfizer vaccines from being used on children due to high rates of myocarditis induced by these vaccines.
They had already approved it and then reversed course?  I had not seen that news.

Sweden, Denmark pause Moderna COVID-19 vaccine for younger age groups | Reuters

Looks like Modera only
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16132 on: November 01, 2021, 12:21:00 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on October 29, 2021, 09:40:13 AM
Kids can be spreaders with or without the vax. Covid don't care.
which is why it makes zero sense to force vaccine on them. 
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16133 on: November 01, 2021, 12:22:21 PM »
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16134 on: November 01, 2021, 12:24:21 PM »
Moderna was paused, for teens, as a precaution, Pfizer apparently is still being used.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16135 on: November 01, 2021, 12:26:36 PM »
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16136 on: November 01, 2021, 12:37:49 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on November 01, 2021, 12:26:36 PM
FDA Delays Decision on Moderna COVID Vaccine for Younger Teens | Health News | US News
children literally do not need this vaccine. stop trying to make them take it. glad the FDA delayed but would be more glad if they denied moderna for use in children.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16137 on: November 01, 2021, 12:42:18 PM »
Pfizer is still a go.  
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16138 on: November 01, 2021, 12:45:41 PM »
it's my understanding that the delta variant has put more children in the hospital lately

so, the vaccine may be useful to some
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16139 on: November 01, 2021, 02:59:11 PM »
Companies with at least 100 workers will be required to give employees paid time off to get vaccinated against COVID-19 and paid sick leave if they have side effects from the shots.

https://www.usnews.com/news/business/articles/2021-11-01/us-will-make-large-firms-give-paid-time-off-for-vaccinations
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16140 on: November 01, 2021, 03:02:55 PM »
I really wonder about companies with say 200 employees where 15% refuse the vaccine and/or testing.  I think they cook the books.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16141 on: November 01, 2021, 04:01:23 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on November 01, 2021, 12:45:41 PM
it's my understanding that the delta variant has put more children in the hospital lately

so, the vaccine may be useful to some
We got our kids vaxed without hesitation.  It's not about preventing the spread, it's about minimizing the effects.  The vaccines are proven through peer-reviewed studies to be effective at that.
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