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Topic: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas

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utee94

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16086 on: October 27, 2021, 10:03:23 AM »
Here's what I found so far:

Moderna's booster is available to the same groups that qualify for Pfizer's shot, including: Adults 65 and up and residents in long-term care facilities. People 18-64 years old with underlying medical conditions that put them at risk for severe COVID-19

I am none of those things.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16087 on: October 27, 2021, 10:08:38 AM »
I can wait
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16088 on: October 27, 2021, 10:18:43 AM »
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention have updated their guidance for people who are moderately or severely immunocompromised. Those who have already received a third full dose of any mRNA vaccine may now get a fourth "booster" shot — classified as a partial dose.

https://khn.org/morning-breakout/cdc-says-people-who-are-immunocompromised-can-get-fourth-covid-shot/
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16089 on: October 27, 2021, 10:21:05 AM »
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention have updated their guidance for people who are moderately or severely immunocompromised. Those who have already received a third full dose of any mRNA vaccine may now get a fourth "booster" shot — classified as a partial dose.

https://khn.org/morning-breakout/cdc-says-people-who-are-immunocompromised-can-get-fourth-covid-shot/
Yeah, immunocompromised folks should definitely consider things closely.  The problem for them is less about waning immunity over time, and more about generating a sufficient immune response in the first place. 

They should be talking very closely with their doctors regularly, about their status and any potential updates.


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16090 on: October 27, 2021, 10:35:14 AM »
I don't feel any need to "get away with it" and avoid questions.  I'll go, when the guidance indicates I should.  The guidance is based on THE SCIENCE, so I'm good with following that.

Well, you're not leaving for Chicago next week, then to Europe, nor will you be on a cruise ship for 12 days afterward.

MY science wins here.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16091 on: October 27, 2021, 10:40:34 AM »
Well, you're not leaving for Chicago next week, then to Europe, nor will you be on a cruise ship for 12 days afterward.

MY science wins here.
I just spent two of the past three weekends amongst 250,000 people at the State Fair of Texas, and amongst 350,000 people at the United States Grand Prix.

The science is the science.  The epidemiologists say that without underlying risk factors, your initial vaccine dosing provides excellent coverage against severe illness, hospitalization, and death.

You're free to do what you like of course, but I'm in no rush to run out and acquire medicine that nobody is recommending I take.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16092 on: October 27, 2021, 10:54:09 AM »
DON'T GET THE VACCINE!!!




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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16093 on: October 27, 2021, 10:55:51 AM »
DON'T GET THE VACCINE!!!




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Well now there's more.

There's the vaccine, which everyone should get, for sure.

And then there's the booster, which you should certainly get if you fall into the high risk categories, or if your doctor recommends it.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16094 on: October 27, 2021, 11:39:16 AM »
Well, I think a lot of what guides this thing is science.

Political science. Not going into that.

My thinking:

Age is an arbitrary number. Why 65? Why not 50?

Nobody will explain that.

Regardless, I'll be in 4 different countries, with who knows what variants, and then on a cruise ship, with who knows whose from where or where they've been.

Science.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16095 on: October 27, 2021, 11:44:38 AM »
Well, I think a lot of what guides this thing is science.

Political science. Not going into that.

My thinking:

Age is an arbitrary number. Why 65? Why not 50?

Nobody will explain that.

Regardless, I'll be in 4 different countries, with who knows what variants, and then on a cruise ship, with who knows whose from where or where they've been.

Science.
That's personal risk, not science.

65 is the age because that's where the data leads.  It's a bell curve and the tail falls off below 65.  Mean, standard deviation, etc.  

Science. :)

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16096 on: October 27, 2021, 11:55:40 AM »
64 is the same as 65 is the same as 66. 65 is arbitrary.

So is 12. So is 18.

It's silliness.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16097 on: October 27, 2021, 12:03:45 PM »
Age groups are obviously somewhat arbitrary if you look at a year or so.  Why should an 18 year old be able to vote, and not a 17?  

Why can I get SS at 66 and not 65?  Or 70?  There is at least some basis for that (which needs adjusting).

I'd start SS benefits at expected age of death - 10 or so, graduated into the system.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16098 on: October 27, 2021, 12:08:30 PM »
64 is the same as 65 is the same as 66. 65 is arbitrary.

So is 12. So is 18.

It's silliness.
But I mean, it's not though.  65 is the result of the normal distribution, its mean, and its standard deviation.  It really doesn't get any more scientific than that.  I don't know what else to tell you.

It's the exact same thing as "6 feet."  It doesn't mean you're completely safe from breathing exhaled coronavirus at > 6 ft, nor does it mean you're guaranteed to inhale it at < 6 ft.  It's a simple statistical exercise.  We rely on this type of analysis to determine safety margins every single day, in all facets of life.

Edit: But again, I'm not saying you SHOULDN'T get the booster, based on your own personal views of risk.  There's probably not much of a down side to it.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16099 on: October 27, 2021, 01:53:50 PM »
Well, I think a lot of what guides this thing is science.

Political science. Not going into that.

My thinking:

Age is an arbitrary number. Why 65? Why not 50?

Nobody will explain that.

Regardless, I'll be in 4 different countries, with who knows what variants, and then on a cruise ship, with who knows whose from where or where they've been.

Science.
64 is the same as 65 is the same as 66. 65 is arbitrary.

So is 12. So is 18.

It's silliness.
Yes, it's arbitrary. But it's also not. 

We routinely break things into groups. 65 is a common one because it's "retirement" age. For health purposes we often use 50-64 and 40-49 because those age ranges tend to have similar health problems, yet we then treat 18-39, a 21 year gap, as a single group because those ages typically have very few age-related health issues at all, so they fit into one statistical group easily. And anything <18 is usually treated much differently because testing of medication/vaccine/etc for someone who is still in their prime growth stage may have different effects than it does for someone fully grown, and also because they're minors and not legally given responsibility for themselves, so they're treated different. 

Obviously these are big categories that have levels of arbitrariness. If you're 64, does that mean that you should always listen to the 50-64 recommendation if you're in particularly poor health and your general level of health is closer to that of a 75 year old? If you're 66, does that mean you should always listen to the 65+ recommendations if you're fit, healthy, and have no chronic conditions? Obviously you have to take control of your own health. 

But if the official recommendation is that people 65+, people who are immunocompromised or have significant comorbidities get the booster, I think that as a relatively healthy and fit 43 year old, I don't see any particular reason I'd need it. I might want it if I were 64 and healthy. But not really that important to me at 43. 

 

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