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Topic: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas

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Honestbuckeye

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #15988 on: October 21, 2021, 07:07:56 AM »
My dad is 89. He had a good professional career before his retirement.
He has been working high school kid jobs in his retirement. But in March 2020 he took a leave of absence. He said he would die if he didn't work theretofore. He wants to return to sacking groceries at Safeway, but working at Safeway isn't safe, right now. It would be if we all were vaccinated, and wore masks. Right now, Safeway is not safe to work in if you are elderly. Please have compassion. We should be rowing the boat together, but we are not. Our country is losing its way.
Lack of common sense amongst the unvaccinated 40% hurts business, and the national economy.
That is so great and impressive that your dad is still more than willing and able to work at the age of 89. 

I am staunchly pro vaccination. Not only did I get vaccinated as soon as I was able to, and I will get the Moderno booster as soon as that is available, but I also strongly and vehemently encourage everyone in my sphere of influence to be vaccinated.

Having said all that I find your take hard to understand. If you believe in the vaccination, then why do you also believe that working there is only safe if everybody is vaccinated and wearing a mask?

In effect, what it really says is that you don’t believe the vaccination is truly effective unless 100% of the population has it, and is wearing a mask. And that of course is factually proven wrong by the data.

for those who are unvaccinated for whatever the reason, they look at your take and it only convinces them that the vaccination is not effective.  They see people who are vaccinated not wanting to be around those that are not and think to themselves “what’s the point“.

As far as the economic impact you mentioned, you could make a case that vaccine mandates are just as bad if not worse for the economy. Places that require vaccination get less business and some go out of business. Corporations that fire people or have people resign because they are not vaccinated are often brought to their knees. You need to look no further than the airlines, hospitals, and first responder units to see this.

The main reason I got vaccinated was to protect myself and to protect others but now we’ve learned that transmission still occurs with the vaccination. So now the obvious reason I’m vaccinated is more to protect myself. I don’t think I have the right to force someone who does not want to be vaccinated to get one. 

all we can do is strongly, strongly encourage it but I will not let the unvaccinated deter me from living my life because I am vaccinated.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #15989 on: October 21, 2021, 08:22:19 AM »
And now we're talking about issues, and their real-world consequences, rather than flinging poo.

Excellent discussion, guys.  I knew we could do it.  Hooray, us!  THIS is why I prefer this thread, on this forum, to all of the others out there on various message boards I frequent.

This is obviously a tough issue.  I've stated my position pretty clearly-- the vaccine replaces the mask.  It does the same thing as the mask, but does it orders of magnitude better.  Once vaccinated, there is no longer utility in wearing the mask.

So the focus needs to be solely on getting as many people as possible, vaccinated.  While also understanding HB's point that 100% vaccinations is NOT required to reach our goals.  Not is it anywhere close to realistic.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #15990 on: October 21, 2021, 08:28:21 AM »
That is complete BS right there. Terrible policy that only hurts the businesses.
businesses > lives
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #15991 on: October 21, 2021, 08:30:31 AM »

As far as the economic impact you mentioned, you could make a case that vaccine mandates are just as bad if not worse for the economy. Places that require vaccination get less business and some go out of business. Corporations that fire people or have people resign because they are not vaccinated are often brought to their knees. You need to look no further than the airlines, hospitals, and first responder units to see this.




I don't think there is any real evidence of this, it's just too early to tell.  Certainly, being "brought to their knees" is a bit of a hyperbole.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #15992 on: October 21, 2021, 08:33:29 AM »
I don't think there is any real evidence of this, it's just too early to tell.  Certainly, being "brought to their knees" is a bit of a hyperbole.
The business > lives crowd reply on hyperbole because it's all they have.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #15993 on: October 21, 2021, 08:37:14 AM »
Yeah, our theater is doing it voluntarily as well. The first show we're scheduled to attend isn't until January, so depending on what the numbers look like by then it's possible that they'll change their tune before the new season of shows starts.
Bridgestone Arena, in Nashville, is requiring proof of vaccination or a negative COVID test for entry.  For the U of North Dakota - Penn State hockey game they are making arrangements to have the quick tests available.  They're also working with Clear https://www.clearme.com/ to speed up entry for those that have signed up for it.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #15994 on: October 21, 2021, 08:40:03 AM »
businesses > lives
For those of us who actually run businesses... business IS life.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #15995 on: October 21, 2021, 08:50:10 AM »
What does COVID-19, a virus, have in common with tuberculosis (TB), a bacterium? Scientists this week reported in a new finding that TB, like the coronavirus, is spread when infected people simply breathe and the pathogen circulates as an aerosol (The New York Times).


If true, this is fascinating, to me.


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #15996 on: October 21, 2021, 08:51:01 AM »
I don't think there is any real evidence of this, it's just too early to tell.  Certainly, being "brought to their knees" is a bit of a hyperbole.
There is plenty of evidence.  Did you not see the nearly complete shutdown of Southwest Airlines?  Did you see how many millions of dollars they lost?

Have you not been watching how many hospitals have stopped doing certain procedures or are reporting staff shortages due to workers not being vaccinated? Or Police departments who have openly told their community to not call 911 unless it is dire, or to expect much slower response times?  Have you not seen the heartbreaking reports of small businesses who can’t function because of employees leaving over mask or vaccine mandates?

if not- PM me and I will send links. They are out there everyday.  
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #15997 on: October 21, 2021, 08:58:47 AM »
The business > lives crowd reply on hyperbole because it's all they have.
The Everyone must agree with me crowd rely on lack of knowledge and ignoring reality because they don’t get the simple concept that people who don’t have jobs and can’t feed their family is causing health, psychological and financial hardships for everyone.  They are quite comfortable with the government supporting those folks, and ignore the fact that The government can’t give anything to anyone without first taking it from someone else.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #15998 on: October 21, 2021, 09:00:08 AM »
The business > lives crowd reply on hyperbole because it's all they have.
As you continue to suck on the government teet.Just keep printing money
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #15999 on: October 21, 2021, 09:03:30 AM »
Let's stay on topic and away from political opinions please.


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16000 on: October 21, 2021, 09:10:14 AM »
Let's stay on topic and away from political opinions please.


I only see one person getting political here- the rest are policy related.  It the usual suspect. 
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16001 on: October 21, 2021, 09:22:31 AM »
Hawkinole and his father have a point

his father is vaccinated and the vaccine will probably work well and lessen the effects of the virus should he contact it at Safeway, BUT......

the dude is 89 years old and not getting younger.  not to mention other health ailments he may or may not be aware of....  Even with help from the vaccine, the virus could cause serious illness including hospitalization and death

I would suggest another part-time job for a while if he really feels he needs to work through this.  There are many options, some safer with less public contact than Safeway
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