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Never ran him down for being from a political party. Just mentioned his name and party- and ran him down for what he actually, you know did.

And oh yeah by the way he also fudged COVID numbers, got caught and tried covering it up. And oh yeah he tried covering up his sexual harassment- got caught- had to re-sign in disgrace.

Sounds like a swell guy.

I don't find many politicians to be anything other than scummy slimebags.  What else is new?  Film at 11.

Feel free to discuss the policies and actions, and your opinion of said policies and actions.  And then support your opinion.

You sorta got there with the above, although the sexual harassment is neither here nor there.  This thread is NOT about judging the character of various political figures.  And you should know better.

Ideally, one's posts should NOT tell which side of the aisle you are on politically.

If you constantly blame Ds or Rs, that won't be the case.

Discuss COVID here, devoid of politics.

I think it's a combination of things, including much less travel coming from Asia, and a somewhat higher vax rate.  Small changes in that figure can lead to a large drop in R naught.

Yep.

THAT is the political problem here, not my posts.  It's the public message, influence, and backwards policies under the guise of freedom that is doing damage.  And yes, killing lives. 

I guess suicide is legal, but does it have to be promoted?!? 
Oh, I get to keep my store open if 3 random people in my city die?  FINE BY ME.

Except that the policies are not all that different... 

People have this perception that Florida is some crazy free-for-all Mad Max scenario where it's everyone for themselves dodging COVID at every turn, while California is on perpetual lockdown and all businesses are shuttered for the duration, and nobody leaves their house without a haz-mat suit.

But neither one is remotely true. I can tell you on the ground here in California that everyone is back to normal. Masks (at least in Orange County) are sparse, well under 50% in most stores. Businesses have been open for months and months. We really only had one real lockdown, when this first started--our governor attempted a second lockdown late in 2020 and everyone just stayed open in defiance. And on a personal note, people were seeing friends and family, unmasked, in their homes, pretty much the whole time.

Yet people think California and Florida are tremendously different, because the governors have different letters after their names denoting a political party. 

MOSCOW (AP) — Russian President Vladimir Putin on Wednesday ordered the country’s workers to stay off work for a week starting later this month amid rising coronavirus infection and death numbers, and he strongly urged reluctant citizens to get vaccinated.

The government task force on Wednesday reported 1,028 coronavirus deaths over the past 24 hours, the highest number since the start of the pandemic. That brought Russia’s total death toll to 226,353 which is by far the highest in Europe.


https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-health-russia-europe-vladimir-putin-bcb1c48ff55f0b2276d3696baba2084c

it's not just that Florida and Cali are very similar, the US of A, Russia, Japan, China, and other parts of the world are all dealing with this virus with no seemingly proven "right" way to save people's lives.

Except, for, ya know, getting the damn jab. 

I think so, but even the jab hasn't seemed to solve the problem entirely.  Even those that have taken the jab.

It's just a very weird evil virus that seems to do as it wishes.

The jab decreases the chances of severe illness and hospitalization to such a dramatically low percentage that it would no longer be considered a public health crisis.

That's more than enough.