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847badgerfan · « **Reply #15540 on:** September 14, 2021, 10:40:17 AM »

The thing is, is that many here, including me, have claimed from the beginning that the numbers were overstated. But that's not what you see and hear - the messaging sucks.

A prominent person in the current administration just tweeted this over the weekend:

Protecting the vaccinated? What is the vaccine for again? The messaging has absolutely sucked on this thing - from the START.

utee94 · « **Reply #15541 on:** September 14, 2021, 12:36:17 PM »

OK, here's yet another reason not to get vaccinated!

847badgerfan · « **Reply #15542 on:** September 14, 2021, 12:50:51 PM »

Obviously.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #15543 on:** September 14, 2021, 01:41:34 PM »

Messenging has been awful, but the "Real Story", if there is one, if fairly complex, and we have politicians "explaining" to us, badly. I've never seen a topic with this much misinformation abounding out there. And I see a difference between discussing topics like we do here and some of the crap being purveyed.

betarhoalphadelta · « **Reply #15544 on:** September 14, 2021, 02:09:56 PM »

Quote from: Cincydawg on September 14, 2021, 01:41:34 PM

Messenging has been awful, but the "Real Story", if there is one, if fairly complex, and we have politicians "explaining" to us, badly. I've never seen a topic with this much misinformation abounding out there. And I see a difference between discussing topics like we do here and some of the crap being purveyed.

First things first, I'm not going to include "the media" or social media in the messaging. There are too many outlets and too many people with agendas. Most consumers of such material do so via confirmation bias, and only listen to or read or watch the media/social outlets that give them their own preconceived notions back at them.

But IMHO the messaging was terrible top to bottom by the former POTUS, the current POTUS, the CDC, Fauci, and (I can speak for my own state only) my own governor and CA dept of public health.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #15545 on:** September 14, 2021, 02:20:55 PM »

I am agreeing entirely, but I find it typical when a topic is fairly complex. I find the "messenging" to be just as bad on any other technical topic, take climate change for example. I don't even include the tripe I see on social media.

Hawkinole · « **Reply #15546 on:** September 15, 2021, 12:56:07 AM »

Quote from: Cincydawg on September 14, 2021, 01:41:34 PM

Messenging has been awful, but the "Real Story", if there is one, if fairly complex, and we have politicians "explaining" to us, badly. I've never seen a topic with this much misinformation abounding out there. And I see a difference between discussing topics like we do here and some of the crap being purveyed.

Vaccinate, it is not too complex. Vaccines started at least as early as the 1700s; General Washington required it. Every state has vaccine requirements.
I read about a 5th vaccine radio opinion disbeliever guy who died from COVID yesterday. I personally have known five people who died from this, all before the vaccine. I am aware of not one person dead from the vaccine. There might be one dead in the U.S.A, but there were about 200 million people vaccinated. About 1 in 700 are dead from COVID-19.

Mdot21 · « **Reply #15547 on:** September 15, 2021, 07:30:17 AM »

Quote from: GopherRock on September 14, 2021, 08:58:17 AM

The bigger question is this: why is anyone taking medical advice from Joe Rogan?

who is taking medical advice from Joe Rogan?

His show is fantastic by the way, you will get more truthful information and learn more watching that guys podcast on Spotify than you could ever get watching CNN/FOX/MSNBC.

FearlessF · « **Reply #15548 on:** September 15, 2021, 10:42:45 AM »

Quote from: Hawkinole on September 15, 2021, 12:56:07 AM

Vaccinate, it is not too complex. Vaccines started at least as early as the 1700s; General Washington required it. Every state has vaccine requirements.
I read about a 5th vaccine radio opinion disbeliever guy who died from COVID yesterday. I personally have known five people who died from this, all before the vaccine. I am aware of not one person dead from the vaccine. There might be one dead in the U.S.A, but there were about 200 million people vaccinated. About 1 in 700 are dead from COVID-19.

seems just this simple to me

Cincydawg · « **Reply #15549 on:** September 15, 2021, 02:05:46 PM »

Aspects are simple, but the Whole Story is not, in my opinion, and has not been conveyed very well nor clearly.

Masks, distancing, infection rates and odds, chance you get it from a surface, chance you get it indoors, or out, chances it will be bad, chances you will die, antibodies and T cells, the false positive rates on various tests, how fast vaccine efficacy wanes, ...

betarhoalphadelta · « **Reply #15550 on:** September 15, 2021, 02:10:18 PM »

Quote from: Cincydawg on September 15, 2021, 02:05:46 PM

Aspects are simple, but the Whole Story is not, in my opinion, and has not been conveyed very well nor clearly.

Masks, distancing, infection rates and odds, chance you get it from a surface, chance you get it indoors, or out, chances it will be bad, chances you will die, antibodies and T cells, the false positive rates on various tests, how fast vaccine efficacy wanes, ...

Well said.

I'd highlight one more aspect of ALL of these...

The understanding that in a novel virus, we don't know everything. So when something is said and then two months later our understanding of the evidence has proven that to be wrong and it's time to change our recommendations, that is NORMAL and EXPECTED in this type of situation. It's not a lie unless someone was distorting or suppressing the scientific understanding at the time of the previous recommendation.

FearlessF · « **Reply #15551 on:** September 16, 2021, 10:45:56 AM »

yes, well said, but it's foolish to try to understand the whole story when it's as large as this and the sources for information are poor and not trustworthy

keep it simple as Utee states - just focus on the vax

utee94 · « **Reply #15552 on:** September 16, 2021, 10:51:43 AM »

It's marketing/branding 101.

KISS

Mdot21 · « **Reply #15553 on:** September 16, 2021, 02:57:16 PM »

smoking gun from the intercept:

https://theintercept.com/2021/09/09/covid-origins-gain-of-function-research/

Fauci lied under oath to Congress. Which is a felony perjury charge. Will anything happen to him? Of course not.

But there it is, plain as day thanks to some great reporting by The Intercept. Wuhan lab was doing gain of function research on bat coronaviruses AND the NIH was funding the lab- despite the US gov't having put a pause on gain of function research.

DOCUMENTS OBTAINED BY The Intercept contain new evidence that the Wuhan Institute of Virology and the nearby Wuhan University Center for Animal Experiment, along with their collaborator, the U.S.-based nonprofit EcoHealth Alliance, have engaged in what the U.S. government defines as “gain-of-function research of concern,” intentionally making viruses more pathogenic or transmissible in order to study them, despite stipulations from a U.S. funding agency that the money not be used for that purpose.

Grant money for the controversial experiment came from the National Institutes of Health’s National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, which is headed by Anthony Fauci. The award to EcoHealth Alliance, a research organization which studies the spread of viruses from animals to humans, included subawards to Wuhan Institute of Virology and East China Normal University. The principal investigator on the grant is EcoHealth Alliance President Peter Daszak, who has been a key voice in the search for Covid-19’s origins.

This is not political at all. There is no evidence any of the money that was funneled from the NIH to the Wuhan lab went towards a specific experiment which caused this pandemic. But point blank period, Anthony Fauci is a proven liar. Many times over. The emails the Washington Post reported on showed this. And he's trying to cover his own ass and he lied under oath to congress. Which is a felony. Any one of us do that- we'd be nailed to the cross. Nothing at all will happen to him. He was trying to be cute and play word games. NIH funds went to gain of function research at Wuhan lab. Period. No way for him to weasel his way out of it.

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