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GopherRock

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #15456 on: September 10, 2021, 10:08:09 AM »
An excellent summation of how a lot of us feel about things at this stage of the pandemic. 


https://twitter.com/DiscontentJacks/status/1435401253840830468?s=19
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #15457 on: September 10, 2021, 10:30:13 AM »
Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on September 10, 2021, 09:57:42 AM
My BIL believes everyone who is vaxxed will be dead within 3-5 years. Because "there are studies". He has not produced such studies.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #15458 on: September 10, 2021, 10:32:48 AM »
OSHA doesn't have the capability to enforce rules for every company over 100 employees

call out the national guard???

I didn't listen to Biden, but did he give a reason why the arbitrary number was 100 employees or more?  Just curious if there was any logic

why not 1000 employees or 25?  
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #15459 on: September 10, 2021, 10:44:04 AM »
Quote from: longhorn320 on September 10, 2021, 09:57:22 AM
did you watch or read our President's speech
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #15460 on: September 10, 2021, 12:44:08 PM »
Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on September 10, 2021, 09:57:42 AM
My BIL believes everyone who is vaxxed will be dead within 3-5 years. Because "there are studies". He has not produced such studies.
Ya that's BS same with studies going the other way.Last year in march the media was barking about studies regarding the vax like it could possibly be etched in stone after a couple of months or even years. I know of plenty of people who are still sick and one who died 3 hrs after  the shot - that's not heresay or heresy.Why are we not on shot 1 or 2 but now 3 and if something goes wrong dreadfully wrong and on occasion it has happened litigation has been waved by the government 🤷‍♂️ :017:
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #15461 on: September 10, 2021, 12:47:38 PM »
was it proven or proven otherwise that the shot was the cause of death 3 hours later or the cause of the sickness?

seems the right wing folks would have a field day if any of this was proven
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #15462 on: September 10, 2021, 12:56:29 PM »
Quote from: MrNubbz on September 10, 2021, 12:44:08 PM
Ya that's BS same with studies going the other way.Last year in march the media was barking about studies regarding the vax like it could possibly be etched in stone after a couple of months or even years. I know of plenty of people who are still sick and one who died 3 hrs after  the shot - that's not heresay or heresy.Why are we not on shot 1 or 2 but now 3 and if something goes wrong dreadfully wrong and on occasion it has happened litigation has been waved by the government 🤷‍♂️ :017:

You know "plenty of people" who are still sick, weeks or months after the shot? 

How many? Can you elaborate on their symptoms? Have they sought treatment? Have any doctors confirmed that they are experiencing adverse reactions to the shot?

I know tons who have gotten the shot, and zero fit that category. I'm guessing if we polled here, everyone except you would say that they know zero people with long term effects from the shot. 

You'd have to be a giant statistical outlier to know "plenty"... So I'm looking for a little more background on this one. 
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #15463 on: September 10, 2021, 01:16:53 PM »
Yes,Cindy's ex, says he still has respiratory problems along with his sister who also got vaxed,he got his shot in April.My own brother says he still feels like shit he got both shots May/June,another brother,no problems and a sister no problems either.A very good friend is sure he had covid in Jan 2020 before it was athing got the shots later,actually earlier this year as he is a IT with the county he said he won't get a 3rd.So it really is a 50/50 thing to the people I talked to
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #15464 on: September 10, 2021, 01:25:30 PM »
Quote from: MrNubbz on September 10, 2021, 01:16:53 PM
Yes,Cindy's ex, says he still has respiratory problems along with his sister who also got vaxed,he got his shot in April.My own brother says he still feels like shit he got both shots May/June,another brother,no problems and a sister no problems either.A very good friend is sure he had covid in Jan 2020 before it was athing got the shots later,actually earlier this year as he is a IT with the county he said he won't get a 3rd.So it really is a 50/50 thing to the people I talked to
Have any of them reported these to VAERS?
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #15465 on: September 10, 2021, 01:29:58 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on September 10, 2021, 12:47:38 PM
was it proven or proven otherwise that the shot was the cause of death 3 hours later or the cause of the sickness?

seems the right wing folks would have a field day if any of this was proven
They didn't try to she obviously had a reaction - severe respiratory difficulties then cardiac arrest she was I think 64.The family is stunned/pissed.If everyone today started getting cancer treatments or diabetes treatments or heart medications that didn't need it I'm guessing there could be problems .One type of drug can't possibly work on everyone as somebody will have an underlying condition or an allergic reaction.I can remember one time in my adult life that i've had the flu,I've never gotten a flu shot either.I've had shots but not those kinds
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #15466 on: September 10, 2021, 01:34:58 PM »
Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on September 10, 2021, 01:25:30 PM
Have any of them reported these to VAERS?
No, well not really sure as I haven't asked they probably just think it comes with the territory.Ironically my brother use to travel to China on business,I don't think his employer mandated,I think he did it because he is close to the grandkids and thought it would help.I'm not familiar VAERS,I'll pass that along
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #15467 on: September 10, 2021, 01:39:19 PM »
Quote from: MrNubbz on September 10, 2021, 01:29:58 PM
They didn't try to she obviously had a reaction - severe respiratory difficulties then cardiac arrest she was I think 64.The family is stunned/pissed.If everyone today started getting cancer treatments or diabetes treatments or heart medications that didn't need it I'm guessing there could be problems .One type of drug can't possibly work on everyone as somebody will have an underlying condition or an allergic reaction.I can remember one time in my adult life that i've had the flu,I've never gotten a flu shot either.I've had shots but not those kinds
BTW all deaths after a vaccine must be reported to VAERS. So I assume her doctor did so. 

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html

Do you by any chance know which vaccine it was? J&J had a higher rate of something called TTS (was reported in the media as "blood clots") and occurred primarily in women, albeit more likely in women under 50. Shortness of breath is one of the possible symptoms. I don't know if it typically presents that quickly--I believe the concern was that it might appear as a side effect in the first few weeks following vaccination. 

The more likely cause would be anaphylaxis, which is an allergic reaction. One of the symptoms is respiratory difficulties. This is why providers require you to stick around 15 minutes after the shot (and for her first shot, my wife was asked to stay 30 minutes as she'd had a previous reaction to a vaccine as a baby). I hadn't heard of anyone having an anaphylactic reaction 3 hours later, but maybe that's the case here. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #15468 on: September 10, 2021, 01:47:23 PM »
Look I don't know the family but have volunteered with the deceased cousin for 3 1/2 years.Many of the volunteers were at the funeral as it's a faith based group and the rest of us worked a lot longer hours pulling up the slack.I saw her yesterday at  the food pantry I'll have cindy call and ask her.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #15469 on: September 10, 2021, 01:50:39 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on September 10, 2021, 09:33:03 AM
Is that a done deal?  Is OSHA making it an emergency safety requirement for private entities?  And if so, what's the reach?

That would be a... big deal... IMO.




This is what I’m getting at. OSHA has never really had the pedestal for maintaining authority over public health standards, which under most legalities falls to different organizations such as the CDC. 

OSHA motions on physical safety standards such as fall protection, hazardous chemicals, etc. And as far as any medically oriented activities go, the closest OSHA comes is to clarify conditions for private employer’s ability to conduct workplace drug testing, usually favoring employer discretion and rarely outright forbidding most scenarios of drug testing.

Given how quickly this looks like it’s going into the courts, this sets up very similarly to the Court’s recent ruling on whether the CDC had the proper institutional authority to dictate sweeping national eviction policies, a legality that is traditionally way outside the realm of someone like the CDC. 

Similarly the angle taken by lawsuits against private employer mandates will be whether it’s in OSHA’s realm to enforce vaccinations.
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