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MrNubbz

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #15204 on: August 24, 2021, 06:32:42 PM »
Unvaccinated 29 times more likely to be hospitalized with COVID-19, CDC study says | TheHill
CDC says - says it all,most people still take precautions I never stopped wearing masks,washing surfaces or social distancing.Many on this board have blame preassigned to those who haven't gotten vaxed - for legitimate  reasons.People who have been vaccinated 2-3 X are the crusaders parading around totally ignorant of the fact that they could very well be transmitting regardless if their vaccine helped their anti bodies or not.And why the hell are they saying getting a 3rd?Probably because the 1st 2 were not all that so it's spun a variant - maybe they've been bullshitting people so long medicine has turned to politicians to learn how to spin failure.No one knows so act prudently
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #15205 on: August 24, 2021, 07:00:03 PM »
I was responding to the summary of CWs post.
Saying basically that the unvaccinated are killing others. 

my point being- in that scenario nobody died( and hopefully won’t), and it seems hard for someone to come to that conclusion when there is no way to know that.  Seems like hype- kind of like a lot of what the media is doing. ( all sides)
Thank You the unvaxed are chain smoking crack heads who share needles and hand out used masks.Also they stampede to meet mothers taking toddlers to day care and kids getting off the kindergarden Bus - just to give them a group hug.Yup busted, and here I thought this would be a lot of fun
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #15206 on: August 24, 2021, 07:09:10 PM »
What's the status of the overwhelming majority of COVID patients in our nation's ORs and ICUs.

I'll end the suspense--it's that they are not vaccinated when they very easily could be.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #15207 on: August 24, 2021, 07:10:04 PM »
Ok, lots to unpack here... Gonna have to do this with an old-school blog-style Fisking...

CDC says - says it all
Starting off strong! First five words convey that you have already dismissed any evidence because it comes from the CDC. Pretty much shuts down debate right there... "I'm not going to accept any evidence you bring, because I'm going to outright say that whatever source it came from is suspect."

Strong first move.


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,most people still take precautions I never stopped wearing masks,washing surfaces or social distancing.
I dare say that you're a unicorn, MrN. Most unvaxxed never started wearing masks or social distancing. Speaking from personal experience--people in my own life. They bristled at the idea of masks from the start, basically gathered with others almost to flaunt that they were doing it.


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Many on this board have blame preassigned to those who haven't gotten vaxed - for legitimate  reasons.
Who defines what is a legitimate reason? 

Let's ask the CDC what's a legitimate reason? Oh... Wait...


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People who have been vaccinated 2-3 X are the crusaders parading around totally ignorant of the fact that they could very well be transmitting regardless if their vaccine helped their anti bodies or not.
No, we get it. Heck, I think it was within 1-3 of my last posts in this thread where I talked about it. 

That said, all the evidence--wait, sorry, maybe that stuff comes from the CDC, but I'm gonna have to continue--suggests that breakthrough infections within the vaxxed are actually pretty rare relative to those who are unvaxxed. So, like I said, the chance that I'm going to get an asymptomatic breakthrough infection is much lower than if you do. And the chance that I get said infection would be much lower if you'd get the damn shot. 

So yeah, that's why we blame those who haven't gotten vaxxed. Because I did ALL the sh!t I was supposed to do, for over a year, in order that I could get the vax and stop wearing the damn mask. And now you're going to reverse shame me for not wearing a mask when YOU haven't gotten the vax? I wouldn't need the mask if you'd just get the shot. 


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And why the hell are they saying getting a 3rd?Probably because the 1st 2 were not all that so it's spun a variant - 
So now you're blaming the vaxxed for spinning a variant without evidence, while basically again intimating that all evidence that the vaccine works must be suspect--"because the 1st 2 were not all that." 


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maybe they've been bullshitting people so long medicine has turned to politicians to learn how to spin failure.
Medicine. What a crock, right? 

All medicine must be deemed untrustworthy to justify not getting the vax...


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No one knows so act prudently
Oh, I am acting prudently. That's why I got the vax. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #15208 on: August 24, 2021, 08:26:53 PM »
What's the status of the overwhelming majority of COVID patients in our nation's ORs and ICUs.

I'll end the suspense--it's that they are not vaccinated when they very easily could be.
Yep.  Bottom line.  
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #15209 on: August 24, 2021, 09:10:01 PM »
Mr. N-- If you want to act prudently and wear a mask, that's good.

Getting vaccinated is orders of magnitude more effective than wearing the mask.

So if you really want to be prudent, get the vax.

And the added bonus is then you don't even need to wear the mask.

Get the vax.  Please.

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« Reply #15210 on: August 24, 2021, 09:12:55 PM »
Look-- I'm the person who thought we'd never have an effective vaccine.

And we're not even halfway into my 18-24 months post-vax evaluation period, so I could still be right.

But for now, I'm wrong.  And I'm delighted to admit it.

We have been given the boon of an effective vax.  It's up to us to use that to our benefit.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #15211 on: August 25, 2021, 07:40:11 AM »
My anti-vax shingles buddy... Looks like he might lose his left eye based on the picture he sent me today.

He is going to see and MD today. Should have went Sunday.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #15212 on: August 25, 2021, 08:09:58 AM »
Some folks loathe what they don't understand and find excuses not to make any effort.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #15213 on: August 25, 2021, 08:11:47 AM »
France appears to be declining, and Florida does as well now.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #15214 on: August 25, 2021, 08:12:40 AM »
What would have happened with NO vaccine?  I don't know obviously, India is a strange example I think of that, and they fell off again.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #15215 on: August 25, 2021, 08:55:41 AM »
What would have happened with NO vaccine?  I don't know obviously, India is a strange example I think of that, and they fell off again.
It's tough to tell, but I think we're seeing what Delta can do to the UNvaccinated with half the country vaxed, and it's just as bad or worse than what was happening a year ago with zero vaccinations, so I suspect we'd be in pretty bad shape.

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« Reply #15216 on: August 25, 2021, 09:08:31 AM »
I've read several places that natural immunity is better than being vaccinated. 

So... those who are vaccinated and still contract Covid will be in a good spot. They most likely will not become severely ill or need to go to the ICU, while gaining even better immunity.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #15217 on: August 25, 2021, 09:14:40 AM »
And those who got COVID with the initial virus, and got vaccinated anyway (i.e. my in-laws) will be in really good shape going forward.


 

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