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Topic: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #15009 on: August 17, 2021, 09:56:38 PM »
posting again if you missed it - seems reasonable to me

Three things to know about the long-term side effects of COVID vaccines

https://www.uab.edu/news/health/item/12143-three-things-to-know-about-the-long-term-side-effects-of-covid-vaccines?fbclid=IwAR3hqM8e5tUXhUT-e8kb6tji2yNsIE92SpJ2OR4EwQ2QHnHMgrW8kt3yqoM

Unlike many medications, which are taken daily, vaccines are generally one-and-done. Medicines you take every day can cause side effects that reveal themselves over time, including long-term problems as levels of the drug build up in the body over months and years.

“Vaccines are just designed to deliver a payload and then are quickly eliminated by the body,” Goepfert said. “This is particularly true of the mRNA vaccines. mRNA degrades incredibly rapidly. You wouldn’t expect any of these vaccines to have any long-term side effects. And in fact, this has never occurred with any vaccine.”
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #15010 on: August 17, 2021, 10:28:44 PM »
posting again if you missed it - seems reasonable to me

Three things to know about the long-term side effects of COVID vaccines

https://www.uab.edu/news/health/item/12143-three-things-to-know-about-the-long-term-side-effects-of-covid-vaccines?fbclid=IwAR3hqM8e5tUXhUT-e8kb6tji2yNsIE92SpJ2OR4EwQ2QHnHMgrW8kt3yqoM

Unlike many medications, which are taken daily, vaccines are generally one-and-done. Medicines you take every day can cause side effects that reveal themselves over time, including long-term problems as levels of the drug build up in the body over months and years.

“Vaccines are just designed to deliver a payload and then are quickly eliminated by the body,” Goepfert said. “This is particularly true of the mRNA vaccines. mRNA degrades incredibly rapidly. You wouldn’t expect any of these vaccines to have any long-term side effects. And in fact, this has never occurred with any vaccine.”
Pre-Corona, there was a lively anti-vaxxer movement.  One of the prominent proponents was (and still is, as far as I know) former Playboy centerfold Jenny McCarthy.  She is convinced that her two sons became autistic because of the childhood immunizations they received.  Also that she cured them of their autism by use of a special double-secret diet.
There have been many peer-reviewed studies of a relationship between childhood vaccinations and autism.  They have all found nothing.  Medical researchers are not infallible, but it's as close as humans can get to a dead-solid lock lock that childhood vaccines do not cause autism.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #15011 on: August 17, 2021, 10:45:04 PM »
posting again if you missed it - seems reasonable to me

Three things to know about the long-term side effects of COVID vaccines

https://www.uab.edu/news/health/item/12143-three-things-to-know-about-the-long-term-side-effects-of-covid-vaccines?fbclid=IwAR3hqM8e5tUXhUT-e8kb6tji2yNsIE92SpJ2OR4EwQ2QHnHMgrW8kt3yqoM

Unlike many medications, which are taken daily, vaccines are generally one-and-done. Medicines you take every day can cause side effects that reveal themselves over time, including long-term problems as levels of the drug build up in the body over months and years.

“Vaccines are just designed to deliver a payload and then are quickly eliminated by the body,” Goepfert said. “This is particularly true of the mRNA vaccines. mRNA degrades incredibly rapidly. You wouldn’t expect any of these vaccines to have any long-term side effects. And in fact, this has never occurred with any vaccine.”

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #15012 on: August 17, 2021, 10:48:46 PM »
the pot stirrer has some credibility
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #15013 on: August 18, 2021, 08:07:55 AM »
Same general trends in Europe, Sweden is showing a small uptick in reporteds.

Too early to call a decline in Florida, but it's possible.  Georgia is bouncing around a lot.  Not much news here about hospital capacity.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #15014 on: August 18, 2021, 08:49:34 AM »
Hospitals are generally doing fine in Florida. There are a couple that are teetering.

I wish everyone would just take the shot and be done.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #15015 on: August 18, 2021, 08:57:27 AM »
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #15016 on: August 18, 2021, 09:22:33 AM »
if everyone had the shot, it might not be done, but it'd be much better
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #15017 on: August 18, 2021, 09:39:22 AM »
long term effects.. like what?

like anything nearly as serious as the known long term effects of COVID?



The long term effect is that, conversely, the vaccine wears off, roughly at about 8 months(?), as we’re now learning, which is why we’re suddenly seeing the gallery of Fauci/CDC/White House promote boosters, starting for those with “compromised immune systems” and possibly expanding into various mandates we’re already seeing mandated to attend Raiders games or keep your job as a Public Health worker in California.

For those unconvinced to get vaccinated, I can see this brewing subject of boosters yielding further reluctance under the rationale of: “What’s the point of getting vaccinated if boosters will be required every year anyway? Might as well take my chances since I’m already behind the curve.”

As I saw posted by a cynical news commentator yesterday: “With the ‘recommendation’ to get booster shots (soon to be a mandate) there is effectively no such thing as ‘fully vaccinated’ anymore. There’s just vaccinated…for now.”


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #15018 on: August 18, 2021, 09:45:54 AM »


The long term effect is that, conversely, the vaccine wears off, roughly at about 8 months(?), as we’re now learning, which is why we’re suddenly seeing the gallery of Fauci/CDC/White House promote boosters, starting for those with “compromised immune systems” and possibly expanding into various mandates we’re already seeing mandated to attend Raiders games or keep your job as a Public Health worker in California.

For those unconvinced to get vaccinated, I can see this brewing subject of boosters yielding further reluctance under the rationale of: “What’s the point of getting vaccinated if boosters will be required every year anyway? Might as well take my chances since I’m already behind the curve.”

As I saw posted by a cynical news commentator yesterday: “With the ‘recommendation’ to get booster shots (soon to be a mandate) there is effectively no such thing as ‘fully vaccinated’ anymore. There’s just vaccinated…for now.”


nothing rational about that rationale
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #15019 on: August 18, 2021, 11:12:00 AM »
I don't think there will be any "further reluctance" among the anti-vaxers regarding boosters.  It's the same reluctance as before.  They didn't get the first vaccine, and they're not going to get the boosters.  Not willingly anyway.

Unfortunately I suspect we'll also see diminishing returns from the already-vaxed.  I'd be shocked if we get 100% "return customers" when it's their turn to get the booster.

Personally of course, I got the vax as soon as it was readily available to me, and I'll do the same for any boosters that come along.


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #15020 on: August 18, 2021, 11:15:54 AM »
Looks like we're moving rapidly on to boosters for ALL  being approved/recommended, after 8 months.

https://www.kvue.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/vaccine/us-health-officials-call-for-booster-shots-against-covid-19/507-dc702492-a5c5-494e-9cf8-1f804468cb26


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CDC: COVID-19 booster shots recommended for all after 8 months

The plan calls for an extra dose eight months after people get their second shot of the Pfizer or Moderna vaccine.

WASHINGTON —  U.S. health officials Wednesday recommended all Americans get COVID-19 booster shots to shore up their protection amid the surging delta variant and evidence that the vaccines' effectiveness is falling.

The plan, as outlined by the director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and other top authorities, calls for an extra dose eight months after people get their second shot of the Pfizer or Moderna vaccine. The doses could begin the week of Sept. 20.

Health officials said people who received the single-dose Johnson & Johnson vaccine will also probably need extra shots. But they said they are awaiting more data and have yet to work out a plan.

The plan is still awaiting a Food and Drug Administration evaluation of the safety and effectiveness of a third dose, the officials said.
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n a statement, health officials said it is “very clear” that the vaccines' protection against infection wanes over time, and now, with the highly contagious delta variant spreading rapidly, “we are starting to see evidence of reduced protection against mild and moderate disease.”


“Based on our latest assessment, the current protection against severe disease, hospitalization and death could diminish in the months ahead,” they said.








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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #15021 on: August 18, 2021, 12:34:51 PM »
as long as the virus is putting a percentage of folks in the hospital, I'll be getting boosters and I would suppose others will
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