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CatsbyAZ · « **Reply #14966 on:** August 17, 2021, 11:00:58 AM »

Quote from: utee94 on August 16, 2021, 08:38:06 AM

I believe it will be many years of mutating variants, and boosters.

I don't believe it will be many years of masking and social distancing. Eventually people will simply reject that and go back to living their lives. As we've discussed here, that's already happening to varying degrees, around the world.

As far as it’s playing out here in the U.S. there seems to be an unspoken agreement between the feds and the people that, because we’re not sure how long this we’ll go, if the people put the masks back on and get the vaccine, in turn, schools won’t be shutdown, bars/theaters/stadiums won’t be required to limit capacity, and feel free to travel.

In other words, for better or worse, those that be are emphasizing masks and vaccination as a way to avoid shutting down the economy again.

Here out West plenty of masks are back on while the baseball stadiums are hosting near sellout crowd sizes, the bars downtown and beaches are packed, and tourists are landing by the plane load.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #14967 on:** August 17, 2021, 11:08:07 AM »

I don't think folks would stand for any more full shut downs, or even partial ones.

longhorn320 · « **Reply #14968 on:** August 17, 2021, 11:13:43 AM »

The local Kroger has a sign that says:

We are pleased to offer the third dose of Pfizer or Moderna to people with weakened immune systems

This is news to me

what gives

anybody know

Cincydawg · « **Reply #14969 on:** August 17, 2021, 11:14:57 AM »

That was announced a few days back. They are about to extend it to more folks who had the vaccine 6? months ago.

I think it's clear we're in for another round.

utee94 · « **Reply #14970 on:** August 17, 2021, 11:16:40 AM »

Quote from: Cincydawg on August 17, 2021, 11:14:57 AM

That was announced a few days back. They are about to extend it to more folks who had the vaccine 6? months ago.

I think it's clear we're in for another round.

8 months from second shot for normal folks, something less than that for immune-compromised.

That would put me in for a booster in January.

longhorn320 · « **Reply #14971 on:** August 17, 2021, 11:18:12 AM »

is the third shot the exact same stuff as the 1 and 2?

Cincydawg · « **Reply #14972 on:** August 17, 2021, 11:18:43 AM »

longhorn320 · « **Reply #14973 on:** August 17, 2021, 11:20:51 AM »

this is complete news to me

I knew they were working on a booster but not that they will start just giving 3rd shots of the current stuff

Cincydawg · « **Reply #14974 on:** August 17, 2021, 11:35:48 AM »

CDC Recommends 3rd Vaccine Dose For Immunocompromised People : Shots - Health News : NPR

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is officially recommending that people with weakened immune systems get a third shot of either the Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna vaccine.
It comes hours after a unanimous vote by a panel of advisers Friday to recommend the guidance and less than 24 hours after the Food and Drug Administration authorized such use.
Providers generally wait for a CDC recommendation on vaccine use, even if the FDA has approved or authorized a vaccine.
Immunocompromised people make up about 2.7% of U.S. adults, or around 7 million people. They are more likely to get severely ill from COVID-19, and they are at higher risk for prolonged coronavirus infection and transmission. They also have a lower antibody response to the initial vaccine regimen and are more likely to transmit the virus to household contacts, according to studies that CDC officials presented to the advisory committee.
People with conditions that weaken the immune system or who are taking treatments that suppress immunity are also far more likely to have breakthrough infection than people in more normal health. One U.S. study shows 40% to 44% of hospitalized breakthrough cases are in immunocompromised people.

betarhoalphadelta · « **Reply #14975 on:** August 17, 2021, 12:29:43 PM »

Quote from: CatsbyAZ on August 17, 2021, 11:00:58 AM

As far as it’s playing out here in the U.S. there seems to be an unspoken agreement between the feds and the people that, because we’re not sure how long this we’ll go, if the people put the masks back on and get the vaccine, in turn, schools won’t be shutdown, bars/theaters/stadiums won’t be required to limit capacity, and feel free to travel.

I dunno, I'm seeing it a bit differently.

There's a group that got the vaccine, is still wearing masks, and is deathly afraid of things reopening as it is.
There's a group (like me) that got the vaccine, is not wearing a mask, and is ready to go back to normal, and doesn't want any more shutdowns.
There's a group that won't get the vaccine, won't wear a mask, and damn sure won't respect any shutdowns.

Group 2 and 3 combined are much larger than group 1, even in places like California.

Group 2 and 3 don't necessarily like each other--group 3 pisses me off because they're the ones continuing to ruin it for everyone. But we have alignment on the point that we don't really think any more shutdowns make sense... Group 2 because we're already vaccinated and nearly everyone in the country at least has access to the vaccine, and Group 3 because they never supported the shutdown in the first place.

Honestbuckeye · « **Reply #14976 on:** August 17, 2021, 01:20:57 PM »

Not sure that’s all inclusive.

I would be Group 2.5. Have the vaccine and I am willing to make decisions about wearing a mask in individual situation. If the grocery store I prefer requires masks I will make a decision and likely wear one.
If a restaurant I like requires masks I may or may not decide to do it but I love having the choice. The lady who cuts all three of my hairs😂 May require me to wear a mask and I would likely do it just to receive the service at my preferred vendor.

It’s not that I think the masks are doing much good, unless they are properly fitted and 95 masks but if it makes somebody feel better, and I have a choice I may or may not choose to.

Then there’s Group 3.5. They are not necessarily against the vaccine but for a variety of reasons have chosen to put it off. They are more than willing to wear a mask. We see lots of those folks in Florida where they were openly admit they have not been vaccinated but will wear a mask in public.

I think the greatest false narrative is that if you don’t have a vaccination that you are a “anti-VAXxer”
And therefore are spreading false information, and are misinformed.

There are so many people that are very well educated, very well informed and have made the decision based on all of the actual data, to not get the vaccine. They don’t openly encourage others to think that way nor do they bitch about having to wear a mask.

They have made their choice. Because they have a choice. There are many in your group one that would choose to take away their choice. You know, those who want to impose their will on others. It only runs one way counter to some of the bullshit you see on this forum.

FearlessF · « **Reply #14977 on:** August 17, 2021, 01:57:53 PM »

Quote from: utee94 on August 17, 2021, 08:54:17 AM

Yeah, that's why Fearless wisely advised including them.

College coaches know they have to keep momma happy. That's a tale as old as time.

Ed Zachery, get momma on your side and get the kid vaccinated
use whatever means possible

FearlessF · « **Reply #14978 on:** August 17, 2021, 02:04:12 PM »

Quote from: Honestbuckeye on August 17, 2021, 01:20:57 PM

There are so many people that are very well educated, very well informed and have made the decision based on all of the actual data, to not get the vaccine. They don’t openly encourage others to think that way nor do they bitch about having to wear a mask.

I'd like to know where they're getting their education and information to make this decision

I've seen or heard nothing that suggests the vaccine is dangerous or isn't effective.

CWSooner · « **Reply #14979 on:** August 17, 2021, 02:36:06 PM »

Quote from: Honestbuckeye on August 17, 2021, 01:20:57 PM

Not sure that’s all inclusive.

I would be Group 2.5. Have the vaccine and I am willing to make decisions about wearing a mask in individual situation. If the grocery store I prefer requires masks I will make a decision and likely wear one.
If a restaurant I like requires masks I may or may not decide to do it but I love having the choice. The lady who cuts all three of my hairs😂 May require me to wear a mask and I would likely do it just to receive the service at my preferred vendor.

It’s not that I think the masks are doing much good, unless they are properly fitted and 95 masks but if it makes somebody feel better, and I have a choice I may or may not choose to.

Then there’s Group 3.5. They are not necessarily against the vaccine but for a variety of reasons have chosen to put it off. They are more than willing to wear a mask. We see lots of those folks in Florida where they were openly admit they have not been vaccinated but will wear a mask in public.

I think the greatest false narrative is that if you don’t have a vaccination that you are a “anti-VAXxer”
And therefore are spreading false information, and are misinformed.

There are so many people that are very well educated, very well informed and have made the decision based on all of the actual data, to not get the vaccine. They don’t openly encourage others to think that way nor do they bitch about having to wear a mask.

They have made their choice. Because they have a choice. There are many in your group one that would choose to take away their choice. You know, those who want to impose their will on others. It only runs one way counter to some of the bullshit you see on this forum.

Re the "false narrative," if one refuses to get vaccinated despite the near-universal availability of the vaccine, how does that person differ from an anti-vaxxer?

Re free choice, one does not have a constitutional right to refuse vaccination if it is required by law. That was decided in Jacobson v. Massachusetts, 1905.

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