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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14924 on: August 15, 2021, 07:36:24 AM »
Florida had a few days below the peak, and then a few days following above the previous peak, it's not leveling.  UK is down from peak but still high and not trending down.  Spain is trending down.  India is well down, I don't know why.  The trends are in the "might" category when they show 2-3 down days, and then they can go back up obviously.

I suppose actual "facts" never change if they were facts in the first place, but obviously we have changed our views on this thing quite a bit since early on, which is understandable.  There were some flawed interpretations about how infectious a surface could be early.  That was presented as a fact but wasn't.  We thought a vaccinated person would be unlikely to be a spreader, that also turned out to be wrong, apparently.  We thought the vaccine was pretty effective against Delta and the Israeli numbers suggest it isn't while the UK numbers say it is (it being different versions of the vaccine).

I've seen zero understandings of what happened in India.  One thought is this thing just rages through for a bit and then recedes for reasons not well understood.


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14925 on: August 15, 2021, 02:39:17 PM »
Forbes
Israel’s Recent Surge Confirms We Need A Multimodal Strategy To Fight Covid-19

William A. Haseltine
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Chart of Daily Covid-19 cases in IsraelChart of Daily Covid-19 cases in Israel
Daily Covid-19 cases in Israel
JOHN HOPKINS UNIVERSITY
With a surge of Covid-19 infections at the highest levels since February, Israel is now contemplating further lockdowns and the possibility of extending booster vaccine shots to those over 50 years old. This comes after administering booster shots to about 2,000 immunocompromised people weeks ago before extending the shots to all those over 60 on August 1. Cases are occurring in both vaccinated and unvaccinated populations, yet with one of the highest vaccination rates in the world, Israel’s experience confirms that no single modality will control Covid-19 alone, as the virus continues to evolve and mutate. We need a multi-modal strategy to contain Covid-19. 
A July report from the Israel Ministry of Health found that Pfizer/BioNTech’s Covid-19 vaccine is just 39% effective in Israel, where the Delta variant is the dominant strain but still provides strong protection against severe illness and hospitalization. According to the report, the vaccines still work very well in preventing severe cases, demonstrating 88% effectiveness against hospitalization and 91% effectiveness against severe illness. But this is still is a steep decline from the earlier estimate of 64% efficacy rate released on July 5, and steeper still from the initial 95% efficacy rate Israel published in May, based on records from Jan. 24 to April 3, 2021.
The Israel report contrasts with data from the UK government that shows the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine was 88% effective against symptomatic disease from the Delta variant two weeks after the second dose, compared to 93% effectiveness against the Alpha Variant during the period from 5 April to 16 May.
Interpreting vaccine efficacy data is a complex task that requires considering many nuances such as the size of the study’s population, the dates and length of observation, multiple types of vaccines in circulation, and many other variables. But one thing is clear, there is a distinct waning in the effectiveness of the immunity and protection that the vaccine provides over time.     
         
As one of the quickest countries to roll out the vaccine, Israel acts as the canary in the coal mine for us all, especially in the United States, where we have few other modes of public health protections. As weary as many of us are about Covid protocols and interventions, we must not remain complacent, as this virus is far from running out of tricks.
Israel once had a robust contract tracing system that kept the virus under control even before the vaccines were available. In late May, spurred on by false confidence from low daily cases rates and the swift vaccine rollout, Defense Minister Benny Gantz and military chief Aviv Kochavi closed the army’s contact-tracing center, known as Alon, transferring the responsibility to the Health Ministry and slashing staff. At the height of its operations, Alon had around 3,000 contact tracers capable of carrying out 6,000 epidemiological investigations a day. With 10,000 new cases reported in Israel over the last few days, contract tracers were only able to conduct epidemiological investigations on 40 percent of cases.
There has been a strong focus recently by Israel and many other countries on booster shots as a solution to waning vaccine immunity. But we cannot make the mistake of relying on one modality, vaccines are a critical tool in our fight against Covid-19, but they must be paired with other layers of protection. To fill any gaps in vaccine protection, we can create a second layer of defense with the prophylactic use of antiviral drugs.
The US government recently committed $3.2 billion to develop antiviral pills for Covid-19. While this is a valuable contribution, we urgently need to supercharge the development of antiviral drugs with the same priority we did for vaccines. Many have focused on antiviral drugs purely as a treatment for Covid-19, when their real power is in their prophylactic use, preventing people exposed to the virus from ever becoming ill or passing on an infection. Similar to how Xofluza, an antiviral used for Influenza reduces transmission by 80% in a close-quarter family context. With a good safety profile, antiviral drugs could be taken by anyone exposed to Covid-19 in a congregate living situation. By attacking the virus before it has a chance to replicate we have the opportunity to prevent the spread of infections and mutation of future variants. Of course, for this prophylactic use of antivirals to be successful it needs to be combined with a mass rapid antigen testing and robust contract tracing program to quickly determine exposure. 
As the virus continues to evolve so must our defense strategy. A multimodal strategy that utilizes antiviral drugs ensures that we can protect our current population and rebuild a world that is prepared for future Covid and other disease outbreaks.



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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14926 on: August 15, 2021, 06:02:56 PM »
I have a fear we can't stay ahead of this thing.  It may or will become "endemic", a cost of "doing business" as it were.

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« Reply #14927 on: August 15, 2021, 06:11:41 PM »
I have a fear we can't stay ahead of this thing.  It may or will become "endemic", a cost of "doing business" as it were.
Lots of gloom and doom there CD

This thing will spike in the next few weeks deaths remain low 

we just have to keep vaccinating 
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14928 on: August 15, 2021, 06:16:00 PM »
Yeah, hopefully deaths and hospitalizations will stay manageable, but it's one more thing.

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« Reply #14929 on: August 15, 2021, 06:18:53 PM »
Yeah, hopefully deaths and hospitalizations will stay manageable, but it's one more thing.
well like my daddy told me at an early age

son life's not fair so you better get used to it
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« Reply #14930 on: August 15, 2021, 07:53:04 PM »

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Israel once had a robust contract tracing system that kept the virus under control even before the vaccines were available. In late May, spurred on by false confidence from low daily cases rates and the swift vaccine rollout, Defense Minister Benny Gantz and military chief Aviv Kochavi closed the army’s contact-tracing center, known as Alon, transferring the responsibility to the Health Ministry and slashing staff. At the height of its operations, Alon had around 3,000 contact tracers capable of carrying out 6,000 epidemiological investigations a day. With 10,000 new cases reported in Israel over the last few days, contract tracers were only able to conduct epidemiological investigations on 40 percent of cases.
Analogous to this is the state legislatures and/or governors who have issued edicts that make it impractical to perform contact tracing.  Oklahoma schools are not allowed to ask students if they are vaccinated or not (along with not being able to mandate either masking or vaccinations).  Without that information, you have to quarantine everyone who was in a class in which a student comes down with COVID, contact, not just the unvaccinated.  And we can't know if the student who got sick was vaccinated or not either.


There are also privacy laws that make it very difficult to allow sick kids at home to "attend" class via Zoom or Google Meets.  The students who are in the class must not appear on the video, nor may their voices be heard.  So you can't really conduct a class worth the time of the "remote" student trying to tune into it.

For some reason, it's OK for all the kids to be visible/audible to each other on a Google Meet.  When I asked why that was, the answer was, "Don't ask us--we don't understand it either."
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14931 on: August 15, 2021, 08:10:28 PM »
Thats really wild CW

but fortunately Oklahoma appears to be holding in there as far as Covid ICU usage and deaths are concerned


Lets just hope this current surge goes away in the 3 or 4 more weeks to come
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« Reply #14932 on: August 15, 2021, 08:15:45 PM »
Thats really wild CW

but fortunately Oklahoma appears to be holding in there as far as Covid ICU usage and deaths are concerned


Lets just hope this current surge goes away in the 3 or 4 more weeks to come
Last I heard, we had the 5th-highest admission rate in the country.
And our governor keeps touting his success.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14933 on: August 15, 2021, 08:46:04 PM »
The numbers from the attached article show the following for Oklahoma

Total beds = 9,800

Bed occupied by Covid patients = 7% or about 700

Total ICU beds = 1,000

ICU occupied by Covid patients = 209

I think what is happening as utee pointed out is that many hospitalized procedures are not being delayed as they were in the previous Covid spikes
This is causing fewer beds being available then prior spikes

If you look at the Covid numbers alone they are way under previous peak requirements over the last 18 months

https://www.oklahoman.com/story/news/2021/07/28/oklahoma-health-leaders-warn-covid-case-hospitalization-numbers/5387171001/
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« Reply #14934 on: August 15, 2021, 08:56:19 PM »
hopefully the Delta variant runs it's course soon and is on to another variant that is much weaker, and then to another variant that is weaker yet and so on until this is not a subject
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« Reply #14935 on: August 15, 2021, 09:07:07 PM »
hopefully the Delta variant runs it's course soon and is on to another variant that is much weaker, and then to another variant that is weaker yet and so on until this is not a subject
thats the spirit
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14936 on: August 15, 2021, 09:42:03 PM »
The numbers from the attached article show the following for Oklahoma

Total beds = 9,800

Bed occupied by Covid patients = 7% or about 700

Total ICU beds = 1,000

ICU occupied by Covid patients = 209

I think what is happening as utee pointed out is that many hospitalized procedures are not being delayed as they were in the previous Covid spikes
This is causing fewer beds being available then prior spikes

If you look at the Covid numbers alone they are way under previous peak requirements over the last 18 months

https://www.oklahoman.com/story/news/2021/07/28/oklahoma-health-leaders-warn-covid-case-hospitalization-numbers/5387171001/
The date on that article is 28 July.  Based on it, you see some optimism.  That's not the way I read it.  And the situation has gotten significantly worse since them.

Our governor and the state legislature have made it virtually impossible for local governments to respond to the situation unless he declares a state of emergency, which he has said he will not do unless things get much worse.

I'd call our governor a moron, but that would be an insult to perfectly good morons.

I thought that of him prior to the pandemic, but he has dived well below my lowest expectations since the pandemic hit.

BTW, I've seen several stories making the point that surprising numbers of under-12 kids getting the virus.  I'll try to post the next one I see.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14937 on: August 15, 2021, 10:09:39 PM »
The date on that article is 28 July.  Based on it, you see some optimism.  That's not the way I read it.  And the situation has gotten significantly worse since them.

Our governor and the state legislature have made it virtually impossible for local governments to respond to the situation unless he declares a state of emergency, which he has said he will not do unless things get much worse.

I'd call our governor a moron, but that would be an insult to perfectly good morons.

I thought that of him prior to the pandemic, but he has dived well below my lowest expectations since the pandemic hit.

BTW, I've seen several stories making the point that surprising numbers of under-12 kids getting the virus.  I'll try to post the next one I see.
sorry about the date my bad

I did find that as of Aug 13 there was about 1,300 covid hospital patients and of those 52 were considered pediatric

so at least if children are getting it a low number are being hospitalized

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