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Topic: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas

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betarhoalphadelta

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14812 on: August 11, 2021, 06:58:57 PM »
The other thing about the powers of the Governor is that at least here in California, the Governor gets a lot more leeway in a declared state of emergency.

Thus, when rescinding most of the COVID restrictions, Newsom was very clear that he was NOT declaring the state of emergency ended, in case he needed to restore certain policies and didn't want his extra leeway and powers to go away. 

So there may be certain instances where in some states Governors are granted the ability to unilaterally write policy with force of law in a declared state of emergency--and I suspect most states went to that level when the pandemic hit.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14813 on: August 11, 2021, 07:18:27 PM »
I agree that Abbott is unlikely to challenge them.  I'm guessing that his action was never about actually forcing cities to adopt policies that they don't agree with.  It was about being seen to have done his best to protect good, honest, Texas Patriots from evildoers who would make them wear masks.
We're having large numbers of people in Tulsa having to postpone elective surgeries.  That's a hidden cost to not getting the virus under control.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14814 on: August 11, 2021, 07:28:26 PM »
Lost?

Maybe you should familiarize yourself with this document.


It has nothing to do with the constitution.  Please stop trying to mic-drop and actually defend your reasoning here.  You, HB, and longhorn never seem to have any actual backing to what you say, just "you're outnumbered here, a-hole!" 
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The governor of FL is forbidding local leadership groups from making decisions based on what's prudent for them.  You know, PRECISELY what you were FOR back when this thing first started spreading everywhere.  You've completely reversed your position just because the FL governor is a far-right fella who confirms all of your biases.  
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Is there anything in the constitution about flip-floppers?  
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14815 on: August 11, 2021, 07:29:38 PM »
He is right on.  You mad Fro?
If you and him think I'm wrong, then I must be right.  
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14816 on: August 11, 2021, 09:52:15 PM »
As I mentioned before, these are the kinds of questions I see from the "super-pro-vaccinated" crowd:


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Up thread somebody is saying CDC was going to recommend booster shots.

Any ideas if “booster” is just another shot of normal vaccine? Would you have to get same brand? I am guessing yes on that.

Honestly been contemplating getting 2 of different flavor since it is so plentiful now. But maybe I should not do that cause I am sure the dumb fucks in ICU now want that shot as soon as possible.
When I or anyone else suggest things like, "This is probably something you should check with your doctor about, to determine her or his recommendation, since boosters are neither FDA approved nor CDC recommended at this time" the response is always, "Well of course doctors can't recommend it because of liability. But I did my own research on the internet and I'm comfortable with my decision."


These complete morons don't have the self-awareness to understand they sound exactly like the anti-vaxers they loathe, who are taking horse -paste and other weird stuff that they researched on the internet, despite doctor and CDC recommendations too, of course.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14817 on: August 11, 2021, 10:57:11 PM »
Gov Abbott appears ready to go to court over his mask policy

It will be interesting to see who blinks first
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14818 on: August 11, 2021, 11:32:54 PM »
It has nothing to do with the constitution.  Please stop trying to mic-drop and actually defend your reasoning here.  You, HB, and longhorn never seem to have any actual backing to what you say, just "you're outnumbered here, a-hole!"
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The governor of FL is forbidding local leadership groups from making decisions based on what's prudent for them.  You know, PRECISELY what you were FOR back when this thing first started spreading everywhere.  You've completely reversed your position just because the FL governor is a far-right fella who confirms all of your biases. 
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Is there anything in the constitution about flip-floppers? 
Fro, did you mean to say

” The Governor of FL is ENABLING  local citizens to make decisions based on what’s prudent for them” and their children?  And “ forbidding government bureaucracies from imposing their will on those citizens, especially going against science.”  

Also, you say we are claiming “you’re outnumbered and you are an A-hole”.  That’s so unfair. We never said you are out numbered.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14819 on: August 11, 2021, 11:45:31 PM »
As I fall asleep the night before a flight, I can’t remember where my box of masks is. I think it’s in the car. I hope it’s in the car. 

Also, I’m sore at United. Schmucks with their pricing. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14820 on: August 11, 2021, 11:59:00 PM »
Fro, did you mean to say

” The Governor of FL is ENABLING  local citizens to make decisions based on what’s prudent for them” and their children?  And “ forbidding government bureaucracies from imposing their will on those citizens, especially going against science.” 

Also, you say we are claiming “you’re outnumbered and you are an A-hole”.  That’s so unfair. We never said you are out numbered.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14821 on: August 12, 2021, 01:03:27 AM »
Fro, did you mean to say

” The Governor of FL is ENABLING  local citizens to make decisions based on what’s prudent for them” and their children?  And “ forbidding government bureaucracies from imposing their will on those citizens, especially going against science.” 

Also, you say we are claiming “you’re outnumbered and you are an A-hole”.  That’s so unfair. We never said you are out numbered.
So, as long as the governor's policy agrees with you, you don't mind him overriding local governments?
And, as long as the president's policy agrees with you, you don't mind him overriding state government, I'm guessing.
And, extending here a little, if the UN's vote was to your liking, you wouldn't mind the UN overriding the U.S. government?
Do you consider yourself a conservative, HB?
I ask because conservatives have since forever held up the idea that issues should be dealt with at the most local level possible.  When did that become no longer the case?
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14822 on: August 12, 2021, 01:41:49 AM »
Gov Abbott appears ready to go to court over his mask policy

It will be interesting to see who blinks first
I don't see the school districts backing down.  They are strong in their conviction that they are doing the right thing.  

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14823 on: August 12, 2021, 06:54:46 AM »
So, as long as the governor's policy agrees with you, you don't mind him overriding local governments?
And, as long as the president's policy agrees with you, you don't mind him overriding state government, I'm guessing.
And, extending here a little, if the UN's vote was to your liking, you wouldn't mind the UN overriding the U.S. government?
Do you consider yourself a conservative, HB?
I ask because conservatives have since forever held up the idea that issues should be dealt with at the most local level possible.  When did that become no longer the case?
CW- read what you just said.

in a choice ( that’s the key-choice) between local government and state, or state and federal- I tend usually favor the smaller or more local government- REGARDLESS of my personal position. 

But that is not the debate- or at least it shouldn’t be. On some things- it should go beyond government and down to individual choice. Personal choice, and the government needs to stay out of it.

That’s why this is not really political to me, although our nation seems to be polarized, and aligned politically, around many issues of individual freedom versus government control.

That’s why what the governor did happens to be favorable to me. Not because I agree with one side of the other but because I feel very strongly that the issue of having to wear masks should be a personal choice and decided at the individual level and not by the government.  So in a fact the governor put it in the peoples hands.

Now if you want to debate whether this specific issue should be in the peoples hands, that is absolutely fair debate, and one for which I can respect both sides of that argument. But it is not a political argument as much as it is a question of individual freedoms, at least to me and obviously many others.  Unfortunately because politicians take sides on this issue we gravitate towards the politicians but I could not care less about what the governor says other than in this case he is trying to promote individual decision making on this particular issue, which I happen to strongly agree with.

It would be hard for me to call myself a conservative. While there are many things that I might align with there-there are also many things that go very counter to what most conservatives would think. I am a big believer and supporter of human rights, including LGBTQ, minorities, and those who are poor or need assistance.

Also, We should be able to have this conversation, like you and I are right now, without going crazy and name-calling and making grandiose statements and things like that. Most of us are quite able to do that.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14824 on: August 12, 2021, 07:19:36 AM »
Adding to previous post:

Betarhoalphadelta wrote a great post the other day regarding things that could save just one life, like eliminating access to fast food, decreasing the speed limit, etc.

It is really the same debate. There’s no chance we are all going to agree at what the level is, but at some level individuals are going to have to make choices that will impact not only their own safety and that of others. 

And when those lines are drawn, such as deciding what a speed limit is, I do tend to favor those rules being set at the most local level. But I also believe that some of those rules should be set at the individual level.

This is probably not the best analogy but whether kids wear a mask in school is a kin to how much fast food they are allowed to eat. I just don’t think any level of government has the right to tell an adult and furthermore what they allow their children to eat. All you can do is educate them, encourage them and ask how they’re doing but in the end they have to make that decision for themselves.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14825 on: August 12, 2021, 07:47:14 AM »
Trends in Europe continue, death rate remains lower than in the previous surge, a lot lower.

I am a bit surprised US hospitals are reportedly filling up, close to cap in some areas.

 

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