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Topic: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas

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utee94

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14728 on: August 10, 2021, 08:42:21 PM »
School district is acting in what they believe to be the best interests of their campuses.  That is their charter.

The Florida governor is acting in what he believes is the best interest of the entire state.  Public health is only one of many concerns he has.  His bailiwick is significantly more far-reaching than is any single school district's.

It's entirely possible for there to be tension and conflict in mission, even when people are trying to do what they believe is best for the overall good.




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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14729 on: August 10, 2021, 08:46:53 PM »
It will be interesting to compare stats between school dist with masks and those without
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14730 on: August 10, 2021, 08:48:39 PM »
I'll comment that personally I don't agree with a statewide ban on local mask mandates, because I believe in allowing the majority of government occur at the local level.

The major urban school districts in Texas are also ignoring a similar ban by the Texas governor.

But I also understand there is subtlety and nuance in all of this, and I don't immediately just assume someone whose position differs from mine, is a bad actor.


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14731 on: August 10, 2021, 09:11:51 PM »
again we can at least learn from this as to what the correct action is
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14732 on: August 10, 2021, 09:28:01 PM »
I'll comment that personally I don't agree with a statewide ban on local mask mandates, because I believe in allowing the majority of government occur at the local level.

The major urban school districts in Texas are also ignoring a similar ban by the Texas governor.

But I also understand there is subtlety and nuance in all of this, and I don't immediately just assume someone whose position differs from mine, is a bad actor.


Great take on it.  Hard to disagree.  The only thing you could do is take it one step further- at some juncture - is it the governments job to have that level of control? I don’t know the right answer.
certainly- I think a business has the right to require masks or vaccines- just as it’s clients and employees have the right to decide to work there or conduct business there.
it is tough for a school district because there isn’t much choice if there is a mandate, or if their isn’t and as a parent-if you want them. 

unfortunately- that’s where the polarization crystallizes- such disparate wide views on that.
what is the government’s appropriate role?
also- how much credibility is there if the policy is” do as I say but not as I do” or “ rules for thee and not for me”?
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14733 on: August 10, 2021, 09:42:19 PM »
again we can at least learn from this as to what the correct action is
obviously not
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14734 on: August 10, 2021, 10:05:20 PM »
They won't let me give blood anymore. The burnt orange color scares the hell out of the doctors.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14735 on: August 10, 2021, 10:17:35 PM »
meaning we've been into this for over a year and we don't know if kids should wear masks at school

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14736 on: August 10, 2021, 10:18:10 PM »
Kentucky Gov. Andy Beshear is ordering that students and employees in the state’s schools wear masks indoors, as the fast-spreading delta variant of the coronavirus brings more infections and hospitalizations.

Beshear’s executive order issued Tuesday applies to everyone in Kentucky schools for kindergarten through 12th grade, regardless of vaccination status. He says the requirement also applies to child care and pre-kindergarten programs.

The governor says that “we are to the point where we cannot allow our kids to go into these buildings unprotected, unvaccinated and face this delta variant.”

Beshear said he wants to avoid schools shutting down in-person teaching and shifted to remote learning as occurred earlier in the pandemic.

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does the governor believe that masks will protect kids in those buildings??????  WTF?  
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14737 on: August 10, 2021, 10:18:31 PM »
“Ohio State University updated its mask protocols last week to enhance the health and safety of the campus community and to reflect updated guidance from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Students, faculty, staff, and visitors to all Ohio State campuses and medical facilities are required to wear masks indoors, regardless of vaccination status. Masks are required outdoors for unvaccinated individuals when they cannot maintain physical distancing. Vaccinated people are not required to mask outdoors.”

As for football games, masks will be required in all interior public spaces, which include elevators, restrooms, and the press box. Masks will not be required for outdoor spaces, which include the gates to get into the Horseshoe, concession stands, and the seating bowl.

For people looking to take public transportation to a game, masks will continue to be required for all public transportation, including the game-day shuttles.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14738 on: August 10, 2021, 10:45:08 PM »
meaning we've been into this for over a year and we don't know if kids should wear masks at school


Oh I think we know

but it will be undeniable when the stats come in this time around

the benefit of masks is way over-blown
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14739 on: August 10, 2021, 11:08:29 PM »
Oh I think we know

but it will be undeniable when the stats come in this time around

the benefit of masks is way over-blown
a)  nothing is undeniable anymore....there will always be a side that automatically disagrees based solely on who is talking
b)  if the benefit of masks is one fucking life, then yeah, stop bitching about it and mask up
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It's not that hard.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14740 on: August 10, 2021, 11:15:42 PM »
“Ohio State University updated its mask protocols last week to enhance the health and safety of the campus community and to reflect updated guidance from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Students, faculty, staff, and visitors to all Ohio State campuses and medical facilities are required to wear masks indoors, regardless of vaccination status. Masks are required outdoors for unvaccinated individuals when they cannot maintain physical distancing. Vaccinated people are not required to mask outdoors.”

As for football games, masks will be required in all interior public spaces, which include elevators, restrooms, and the press box. Masks will not be required for outdoor spaces, which include the gates to get into the Horseshoe, concession stands, and the seating bowl.

For people looking to take public transportation to a game, masks will continue to be required for all public transportation, including the game-day shuttles.

Kind of humorous if you think about it. Those seats in the shoe are shoulder to shoulder and I mean literally. No masks required. But if you go into the restroom we’re nobody gets within 3 feet of each other sans pandemic, we have to wear mask. 😂😂😂
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14741 on: August 10, 2021, 11:17:00 PM »
I have the feeling that in my district, if a few over-age, overweight, immune-system-compromised teachers die, that will be written off as the price of freedom by those who support state laws forbidding schools to require vaccines or masks, or to ask about vaccination status, and in effect make it impossible even to do contact-tracing.

"Gotta break a few eggs when you make an omelet," said the fans of the major bad actors in the world ca. 1935.

The question in response should have been, "OK--so where's the omelet?"
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