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utee94 · « **Reply #14686 on:** August 10, 2021, 10:22:08 AM »

Data collection and reporting has been an issue this entire time.

The simple truth is, our IT systems-- and more importantly our routine processes-- just aren't geared to report out daily statistics for this kind of thing. This is the first time in global history, any outbreak has been tracked this closely. The systems and processes are actually designed to accumulate and compile this kind of data months, or even years, after the fact. Because we've never before felt the need to track daily cases on something like this.

It's not a problem that could be effectively and efficiently solved in a year, and perhaps not even in a decade. But honestly, the stop-gap measures put in place over the past 18 months, have been pretty darn impressive. I'm certain they're incredibly inefficient and obviously they are highly error-prone, but the fact that we can get any data AT ALL in near-real-time, is pretty surprising to me.

FearlessF · « **Reply #14687 on:** August 10, 2021, 02:42:37 PM »

Quote from: Honestbuckeye on August 10, 2021, 08:28:30 AM

She says yes. Just for point of reference- this is a VERY pro vaccine- pro mask person

so, why not follow his advice?

Honestbuckeye · « **Reply #14688 on:** August 10, 2021, 03:52:49 PM »

Quote from: FearlessF on August 10, 2021, 02:42:37 PM

so, why not follow his advice?

I don’t think he gave her advice. I think he gave her the data.

apparently like the majority of his pregnant clients she used the data to come to her logical decision. And is very comfortable with it. I’ll say this even more strongly now without being political, this is a person with very strong thinking in alignment with the current administration, Dr. Fauci, the CDC, and not in any limit with past administration.

betarhoalphadelta · « **Reply #14689 on:** August 10, 2021, 04:24:45 PM »

There's a psychological aspect here.

Getting a vaccine is something you do. It requires agency. You have to make an appointment. You have to get in the car. You have to go somewhere and stand in line. You have to sit down while someone in a white labcoat asks a bunch of questions, reads a bunch of technical jargon, and then jabs you in the arm with a needle and injects something in your arm. Then you have to sit and wait for 15 minutes to make sure you're not going to die. Then you have to come back in 3 or 4 more weeks and do it again.

COVID is something that happens to you. It's an unfortunate occurrence. It's invisible. You don't always know where or when you encountered it. There's no agency. It's just bad luck, not something that you did wrong.

It's a big, big difference.

In order to get the vaccine, you have to overcome the fear that you're doing something that might hurt you. Clearing that bar is not easy for a lot of people.

FearlessF · « **Reply #14690 on:** August 10, 2021, 04:50:26 PM »

where in the wide world of sports did people get the idea that there might be long term consequences?

where did this misinformation come from?

847badgerfan · « **Reply #14691 on:** August 10, 2021, 04:53:30 PM »

Quote from: FearlessF on August 10, 2021, 04:50:26 PM

where in the wide world of sports did people get the idea that there might be long term consequences?

where did this misinformation come from?

Mostly from Europe, early on. They are doing much better over there now with the vax. Some are ahead of us.

FearlessF · « **Reply #14692 on:** August 10, 2021, 05:02:00 PM »

perhaps the same folks that believed Bill Gate's microchip was in the vaccine or that thought some idiot actually suggested injecting bleach?

the crazies!

why are these crazy ideas perpetuated?

and why isn't there a clear message with solid data to disprove these rumors?

why wouldn't a physician explain to a pregnant woman in his office that long term effects are almost impossible with this vaccine?

Honestbuckeye · « **Reply #14693 on:** August 10, 2021, 05:10:29 PM »

Wow. Talk about crazies.

A doctor cannot guarantee a pregnant woman that there are no long-term effects because no doctor in the world knows that for a fact because we have not been through the long term yet.

Whatever decision a pregnant woman makes about getting the vaccine while pregnant is the correct decision for that person, especially if they are in formed with all of the facts.

It’s so sad that people think they have the right to make that decision for other people, especially when you have to ask “why have someone not presented her with the data on this“. Ding ding ding.

When you find this long term affects data which means people that have been vaccinated for many years, let the rest of us idiots know.

Honestbuckeye · « **Reply #14694 on:** August 10, 2021, 05:13:37 PM »

Quote from: 847badgerfan on August 10, 2021, 04:53:30 PM

Mostly from Europe, early on. They are doing much better over there now with the vax. Some are ahead of us.

What misinformation? There is no information for a pregnant women to understand potential effects.
pretending there is- classic misinformation.

FearlessF · « **Reply #14695 on:** August 10, 2021, 05:24:52 PM »

check the history of vaccines - worldwide all time

check the data on the vaccines available in the USA

the current vaccines according to science should have less chance of long term effect than past vaccines

FearlessF · « **Reply #14696 on:** August 10, 2021, 05:28:19 PM »

Quote from: FearlessF on August 06, 2021, 07:51:08 PM

Three things to know about the long-term side effects of COVID vaccines

https://www.uab.edu/news/health/item/12143-three-things-to-know-about-the-long-term-side-effects-of-covid-vaccines?fbclid=IwAR2Dxzq2cDbvlmjVVXRtYkyKUO1wl7UntGmASYXwFAakaS_O5fwf-Da7IOs

In his nearly 30 years studying vaccines, Paul Goepfert, M.D., director of the Alabama Vaccine Research Clinic at the University of Alabama at Birmingham, has never seen any vaccine as effective as the three COVID vaccines — from Pfizer, Moderna, and Johnson & Johnson — currently available in the United States.

“A 90 percent decrease in risk of infections, and 94 percent effectiveness against hospitalization for the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines is fantastic,” he said.

But what makes vaccine experts such as Goepfert confident that COVID vaccines are safe in the long term? We have all seen billboards and TV infomercials from law firms seeking people harmed by diet drugs or acid-reflux medicines for class-action lawsuits. What makes Goepfert think that scientists would not discover previously unsuspected problems caused by COVID vaccines in the years ahead?

HonestBuckeye,

you are correct that no one knows how the vaccine could affect someone years and years from now, but this article seems reasonable to me.
Perhaps it's a politically motivated piece of garbage?

betarhoalphadelta · « **Reply #14697 on:** August 10, 2021, 05:31:35 PM »

Quote from: FearlessF on August 10, 2021, 05:24:52 PM

check the history of vaccines - worldwide all time

check the data on the vaccines available in the USA

the current vaccines according to science should have less chance of long term effect than past vaccines

This is the first mRNA vaccine ever used in humans. The functional method by which it works is something that has never been done before. Therefore "according to science" we're in uncharted territory.

That said, after researching how the vaccine works, I agree with you that there is a low likelihood of long-term effects based upon the mechanism by which this vaccine works.

I would also say that we have very limited data on the long-term effects of a natural COVID infection.

And we have no real data on the long-term effects of natural COVID infection on an in-utero fetus across their childhood and later life.

But again, psychologically that mother has to proactively go get a shot in the arm and make that decision for her baby, if she wants to get vaccinated. And if there ARE long-term effects, that mother will carry that guilt forever. Whereas getting COVID while pregnant, on the other hand, is a "Ooops! Not really my fault! I was trying to social distance and be careful!" It's just bad luck.

847badgerfan · « **Reply #14698 on:** August 10, 2021, 05:33:03 PM »

Quote from: Honestbuckeye on August 10, 2021, 05:13:37 PM

What misinformation? There is no information for a pregnant women to understand potential effects.
pretending there is- classic misinformation.

I was talking in general. There was (and still is) a lot of pushback in the EU.

847badgerfan · « **Reply #14699 on:** August 10, 2021, 05:34:19 PM »

Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on August 10, 2021, 05:31:35 PM

This is the first mRNA vaccine ever used in humans. The functional method by which it works is something that has never been done before. Therefore "according to science" we're in uncharted territory.

That said, after researching how the vaccine works, I agree with you that there is a low likelihood of long-term effects based upon the mechanism by which this vaccine works.

I would also say that we have very limited data on the long-term effects of a natural COVID infection.

And we have no real data on the long-term effects of natural COVID infection on an in-utero fetus across their childhood and later life.

But again, psychologically that mother has to proactively go get a shot in the arm and make that decision for her baby, if she wants to get vaccinated. And if there ARE long-term effects, that mother will carry that guilt forever. Whereas getting COVID while pregnant, on the other hand, is a "Ooops! Not really my fault! I was trying to social distance and be careful!" It's just bad luck.

I found it interesting a few months ago that a woman had Covid while pregnant and the baby was born with antibodies. Cool beans.

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