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Topic: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14630 on: August 07, 2021, 03:05:19 PM »
I hadn't really considered it much... Since I'm nowhere near 6 months having the vaccine, I haven't really looked at boosters. My wife got hers starting back in Dec/Jan timeframe, so it's potentially more meaningful for her now. 

I will say that if someone's jumping the line, I don't really blame them as it's not like we're so constrained on vaccine availability that they're taking it from someone who wants it...

...but they should be paying for it. It is currently considered an unapproved and not yet determined to be medically necessary shot. That shouldn't be funded by the US Government nor should insurance companies foot the bill for it. 

I'll bet if a lot of these people knew they'd get, say, a $100 bill for the shot after the fact, they might change their tune. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14631 on: August 07, 2021, 03:51:09 PM »
I hadn't really considered it much... Since I'm nowhere near 6 months having the vaccine, I haven't really looked at boosters. My wife got hers starting back in Dec/Jan timeframe, so it's potentially more meaningful for her now.

I will say that if someone's jumping the line, I don't really blame them as it's not like we're so constrained on vaccine availability that they're taking it from someone who wants it...

...but they should be paying for it. It is currently considered an unapproved and not yet determined to be medically necessary shot. That shouldn't be funded by the US Government nor should insurance companies foot the bill for it.

I'll bet if a lot of these people knew they'd get, say, a $100 bill for the shot after the fact, they might change their tune.


Probably so.

They're rationalizing it now by saying "Well, we have plenty of vaccine inventory, so I'm not taking it away from someone that needs it."

They rationalized their line-jumping back in Feb/March by blaming the governor for easing off the statewide mask mandate. They decided that if the government wasn't going to "look out for them" then they had to take it into their own hands. At that time, it was commonplace to take a week or two just to get an appointment to stand in line for 3-4 hours, and there were still a lot of unvaxed needy seniors and people with true, actual health concerns.  But the line-jumpers didn't care then and they don't care now.

Like I said, they're almost militant and pretty much the anti-anti-vaxers.  It's weird.  Given what we know about highly mitigated risks with respect to severe illness when you have the vaccine, even with the Delta variant, it seems premature and potentially unnecessary.

If there were widely accepted science on their side I wouldn't call them out, but from what I've seen, there's not much evidence regarding statistically significant improvement to outcomes, from a 3rd/booster shot.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14632 on: August 07, 2021, 05:57:31 PM »
Two more of my employees got it. 

Young(high 30s) healthy.  One fully vaccinated, the other halfway between 1st and Second dose. 

Neither in too much danger although the not fully vaxxed one has much worse symptoms and briefly checked himself into hospital. 

Here is the irony/  both traveled to Chicago and came back with it. ( Separately) 
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14633 on: August 07, 2021, 06:18:25 PM »
Shhh, don't mention the children in FL.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14634 on: August 07, 2021, 07:18:29 PM »
Shhh, don't mention the children in FL.
What creepy idea are you trying to promote now son?   Did you forget your meds, again?
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14635 on: August 08, 2021, 06:53:07 AM »
The evidence supporting a third is mostly from blood work, antibody increases, which would be expected, and not necessarily necessary.

I find it ironic that we have some wanting a third shot coupled with some wanting no shot at all, it's a bit like masks, a political statement as much as anything rational.

Ironic and expected.  The park was crowded yesterday with the festival happening and maybe 5% were wearing masks.  It's outdoors at least.

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« Reply #14636 on: August 08, 2021, 09:22:55 AM »
Well- a friend lost a father in law to covid yesterday. Fully vaccinated and quite healthy.  Mid 60s 

So- if there becomes solid data suggesting a booster protects us further, I would sign up. 
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14637 on: August 08, 2021, 09:43:47 AM »
Two more of my employees got it.

Young(high 30s) healthy.  One fully vaccinated, the other halfway between 1st and Second dose.

Neither in too much danger although the not fully vaxxed one has much worse symptoms and briefly checked himself into hospital.

Here is the irony/  both traveled to Chicago and came back with it. ( Separately)
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14638 on: August 08, 2021, 09:58:15 AM »
Maybe??  I had never even thought of that that’s a very likely possibility.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14639 on: August 08, 2021, 10:14:45 AM »
Well- a friend lost a father in law to covid yesterday. Fully vaccinated and quite healthy.  Mid 60s

So- if there becomes solid data suggesting a booster protects us further, I would sign up.
Unfortunately it’s going to happen. Sorry to hear this. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14640 on: August 08, 2021, 11:33:08 AM »

The evidence supporting a third is mostly from blood work, antibody increases, which would be expected,
and not necessarily necessary.

I find it ironic that we have some wanting a third shot coupled with some wanting no shot at all, it's a bit like masks, a political statement as much as anything rational.

Ironic and expected.  The park was crowded yesterday with the festival happening and maybe 5% were wearing masks.  It's outdoors at least.

Yes, this is what I'm seeing.

Y'all are my research branch, though, and I know I can usually get an even-handed response from this board in toto.  So if you do see any studies that focus on improved OUTCOMES, I'd love to see them.  

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14641 on: August 08, 2021, 11:42:44 AM »
I don't think there are enough people to assess outcomes, and perhaps they are not being tracked specifically.  Maybe Pfizer is doing a study.

Given that regularly vaccinated folks somewhat rarely contract COVID, you'd need a large base size, I think.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14642 on: August 08, 2021, 11:52:59 AM »
I don't think there are enough people to assess outcomes, and perhaps they are not being tracked specifically.  Maybe Pfizer is doing a study.

Given that regularly vaccinated folks somewhat rarely contract COVID, you'd need a large base size, I think.

Yeah, those are my assumptions as well.  I do recall a while back, Pfizer stating they were going to study it.  But it's not as simple as running controlled experiments.  A lot of real-world factors introduce confounding variables.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14643 on: August 09, 2021, 12:15:40 PM »
So I finally convinced someone very near and dear to me- to get vaccinated. ( The final straw may have been my employee who was struggling- passed away this morning)

She has never been adverse to the vaccination in general, but just very afraid of shots and has a very high likelihood of getting a reaction.

Anyway, she likes the thought of the Johnson and Johnson single shot versus the two shots. She has done her research for which I give her credit but can’t find the Johnson and Johnson variety anywhere in our general market. 

It has been the one vaccine of the three with some actual minor statistical issues but still must be the favorite since it’s one shot. That’s my guess anyway as to why she can’t find it.  Signed up for Moderno sewer good to go
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