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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14336 on: July 21, 2021, 09:50:55 AM »
The proper way to report that increase from 15 to 45 is


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14337 on: July 21, 2021, 09:56:56 AM »
with absolutely no mention of hospitalizations
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14338 on: July 21, 2021, 10:07:05 AM »
I keep an eye on France and the picture is not looking  good.  Macron has proposed a lock down for anyone without proof of vax.

A lot of countries are apparently in trouble now.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14339 on: July 21, 2021, 10:25:43 AM »
with absolutely no mention of hospitalizations

so far Hospitalizations remain low
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14340 on: July 21, 2021, 10:27:38 AM »
correct, nothing to see here

just get the vaccine, is the message from media and government

because, cases are up
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14341 on: July 21, 2021, 11:49:06 AM »
correct, nothing to see here

just get the vaccine, is the message from media and government

because, cases are up
Wow. Amazing how different we see this message.  Mad mandates, vaccine passports. This is what I am seeing. 
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14342 on: July 21, 2021, 11:56:51 AM »
Wow. Amazing how different we see this message.  Mad mandates, vaccine passports. This is what I am seeing.
what makes you think we dont see the same thing

we are just saying an increase in positives with little increase in hospitalizations or deaths is not like the old days BV

before vaccine
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14343 on: July 21, 2021, 12:37:37 PM »
in my opinion it was always about hospitalizations and deaths

flatten the curve

don't over run the hospitals

but, that's just my opinion

someone having the virus with no or minor symptoms isn't the issue
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14344 on: July 21, 2021, 12:55:06 PM »
The proper way to report that increase from 15 to 45 is
I saw news about a rise in reported crimes against Asians and searched for the figures, and they were something like 78 going to 188 or somesuch.  This is a common media malady.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14345 on: July 21, 2021, 01:37:28 PM »
what makes you think we dont see the same thing

we are just saying an increase in positives with little increase in hospitalizations or deaths is not like the old days BV

before vaccine
He said “the media and government message is just get the vaccine”.  False. 
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14346 on: July 21, 2021, 01:39:11 PM »
in my opinion it was always about hospitalizations and deaths

flatten the curve

don't over run the hospitals

but, that's just my opinion

someone having the virus with no or minor symptoms isn't the issue
Well, yeah...

But pre-vaccine, there was a significant correlation between case numbers and the resulting hospitalizations and deaths. So rising cases was a leading indicator / proxy for increases in hospitalizations and deaths.

With the vaccine, it's still possible for one to contract the virus [albeit much less likely] but one is VERY unlikely to end up in the hospital or morgue as a result of that infection. So I don't think that post-vaccine case counts will be anywhere near as strong of a leading indicator or proxy for what will happen to hospitalizations and deaths. It will still be there, but the size of the effect is diminished.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14347 on: July 21, 2021, 01:49:37 PM »
yes, but media is still reporting case counts to encourage folks to get the vaccine

or perhaps because the media is simply clueless and lazy
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14348 on: July 21, 2021, 02:23:01 PM »
I'd also state that one of the BIGGEST reasons that the case count and hospitalization/death counts will no longer track as they once did is that the group of people who is choosing not to get vaccinated is disproportionately the group that is least likely to die anyway...

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1191568/reported-deaths-from-covid-by-age-us/

Under age 40, there have been <10K deaths attributed to COVID, but that's roughly half the population of the country. >590K deaths happened in the other half. 

In California, roughly 80% of those over 50 have been either fully or partially vaccinated by now. Slightly less (~67%) of those 18-49 have been vaccinated, and I would be surprised if there isn't some skew that those in the 35-49 range aren't vaccinated at a higher rate than those in the 18-34 range...

Those most vulnerable have typically been those most likely to get vaccinated, so the case rates will even more disproportionately be affecting the population who may have chosen not to get the shot because they're healthy and not particularly vulnerable. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14349 on: July 21, 2021, 02:42:13 PM »
FL is at 72 percent fully vaccinated for age 40 and up. It's at 82 percent for 60+.

It's the <40 that are hesitating.
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