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Topic: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas

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utee94

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14308 on: July 20, 2021, 01:13:16 PM »
I think "they" will get significantly more pushback now on any attempt at mask mandates, than "they" ever received previously.

I don't see any way the state of Texas ever makes it a statewide mandate again.  Municipalities within the state might, including and especially Austin, but for the most part this state is done with masks, it's done with closures, it's done with lockdowns, it's done with social distancing.

It's up to the citizens to protect themselves by making the choice to get vaccinated.  My entire family is (aside from my 11yo son who can't yet).  And all of my family and friends that I interact with, with any regularity, are vaccinated as well.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14309 on: July 20, 2021, 01:20:32 PM »
The second article did highlight a study from the UK that showed Pfizer to be 96% effective against hospitalization for the Delta variant, and further highlighted that those who were vaccinated and ended up in the hospital had underlying conditions.

It also mentioned that 55% of Lexington residents were vaccinated. If 55% are vaccinated but only make up 20% of new cases, that's important. And if they make up almost 0 of the hospitalizations, that's even more important.

It’s interesting that you mention “ underlying conditions“.   
is that allowed now?

I saw data yesterday that reflected the number of people under the age of 18 that have passed away from Covid. It was from Johns Hopkins university. The number was 335 but when you eliminate those who had serious underlying conditions, the number was zero. Not just underlying conditions, but serious underlying conditions.

so that leads me to wonder why are we now seeing recommendations for children to be masked up and vaccinated? Where is the science there?  Am I allowed to ask those questions without having people censor me?
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14310 on: July 20, 2021, 01:26:08 PM »
It’s interesting that you mention “ underlying conditions“.   
is that allowed now?

I saw data yesterday that reflected the number of people under the age of 18 that have passed away from Covid. It was from Johns Hopkins university. The number was 335 but when you eliminate those who had serious underlying conditions, the number was zero. Not just underlying conditions, but serious underlying conditions.

so that leads me to wonder why are we now seeing recommendations for children to be masked up and vaccinated? Where is the science there?  Am I allowed to ask those questions without having people censor me?
Yes, for sure-- at least here, you can.

I share many of the same questions as you.

If you're going to cite THE SCIENCE as your rationale, then THE SCIENCE better be clearly on your side.  Otherwise you're just as stupid as the people you're blasting for being anti-science.


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14311 on: July 20, 2021, 01:33:50 PM »
It’s interesting that you mention “ underlying conditions“.   
is that allowed now?

I saw data yesterday that reflected the number of people under the age of 18 that have passed away from Covid. It was from Johns Hopkins university. The number was 335 but when you eliminate those who had serious underlying conditions, the number was zero. Not just underlying conditions, but serious underlying conditions.

so that leads me to wonder why are we now seeing recommendations for children to be masked up and vaccinated? Where is the science there?  Am I allowed to ask those questions without having people censor me?
I can't explain anyone else's reasoning, but I will explain my own...

Prior to the vaccine becoming available, I didn't really worry that much about getting COVID. I'm 42, healthy, and outside of carrying a little extra weight, don't have any underlying conditions. Yes, that doesn't mean that I *couldn't* get hospitalized or die from COVID, but that the personal risk was quite low. 

Yet I did support the idea of masking and social distancing. Because it's a numbers game regarding the spread. If I were to get COVID, who could I spread it to that IS vulnerable. If everyone is acting like it isn't a big deal, then how many vulnerable people who cannot be protected will additionally get it? The whole "focused protection" idea doesn't work well with something that's so transmissible. 

Once the vaccine went mainstream, it changes the risk calculus significantly. Some vaccinated people will get COVID, and some who are vulnerable due to underlying conditions WILL die. But not enough of them to continue keeping the COVID restrictions. Some unvaccinated people will get COVID and some will die, but that's their choice to avoid the vaccine, so it's no longer my responsibility to protect them via keeping COVID restrictions. 

I don't think kids need to be masked any longer. The number of cases are low enough and the risk so low to kids that I don't think masks for children will make a meaningful difference to COVID case numbers and the kids themselves aren't affected much by the virus. I do think it's a good idea for them to get vaccinated, however, as the goal is to continue reducing the spread of the virus to avoid having enough hosts for new variants/strains to emerge that may circumvent the vaccine, or new variants/strains emerging that DUE pose a threat to healthy children. 

The vaccine is a great way to get to real herd immunity, and kids are part of that herd.

Like 94, one of mine is fully vaccinated, the second is halfway there (he just turned 12 last month) and the third is only 8, so she's not currently eligible. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14312 on: July 20, 2021, 01:40:05 PM »
I can't explain anyone else's reasoning, but I will explain my own...

Prior to the vaccine becoming available, I didn't really worry that much about getting COVID. I'm 42, healthy, and outside of carrying a little extra weight, don't have any underlying conditions. Yes, that doesn't mean that I *couldn't* get hospitalized or die from COVID, but that the personal risk was quite low.

Yet I did support the idea of masking and social distancing. Because it's a numbers game regarding the spread. If I were to get COVID, who could I spread it to that IS vulnerable. If everyone is acting like it isn't a big deal, then how many vulnerable people who cannot be protected will additionally get it? The whole "focused protection" idea doesn't work well with something that's so transmissible.

Once the vaccine went mainstream, it changes the risk calculus significantly. Some vaccinated people will get COVID, and some who are vulnerable due to underlying conditions WILL die. But not enough of them to continue keeping the COVID restrictions. Some unvaccinated people will get COVID and some will die, but that's their choice to avoid the vaccine, so it's no longer my responsibility to protect them via keeping COVID restrictions.

I don't think kids need to be masked any longer. The number of cases are low enough and the risk so low to kids that I don't think masks for children will make a meaningful difference to COVID case numbers and the kids themselves aren't affected much by the virus. I do think it's a good idea for them to get vaccinated, however, as the goal is to continue reducing the spread of the virus to avoid having enough hosts for new variants/strains to emerge that may circumvent the vaccine, or new variants/strains emerging that DUE pose a threat to healthy children.

The vaccine is a great way to get to real herd immunity, and kids are part of that herd.

Like 94, one of mine is fully vaccinated, the second is halfway there (he just turned 12 last month) and the third is only 8, so she's not currently eligible.
I agree, as that aligns with my thoughts from the beginning.  ( although my 2 daughters are grown, independent, successful and vaccinated).
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14313 on: July 20, 2021, 01:42:57 PM »
Yup. 100%.

I agree with vax for kids who are eligible, and I don't think masking is necessary for them any longer.  Arguably, it never was, but that's a discussion that will likely land us over on the In The News thread instead of here.


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« Reply #14314 on: July 20, 2021, 01:55:20 PM »
Florida ain't going back to the lockdowns. No chance. I will look at the latest data and report back.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14315 on: July 20, 2021, 02:07:08 PM »
Yup. 100%.

I agree with vax for kids who are eligible, and I don't think masking is necessary for them any longer.  Arguably, it never was, but that's a discussion that will likely land us over on the In The News thread instead of here.
Although... My kids were sickness-free for an entire year... Which meant I or my wife didn't pick up any cold from the little petri dishes either... 

Maybe there's something to this mask stuff for kids :57:

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14316 on: July 20, 2021, 02:07:12 PM »


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« Reply #14317 on: July 20, 2021, 02:10:10 PM »
Although... My kids were sickness-free for an entire year... Which meant I or my wife didn't pick up any cold from the little petri dishes either...

Maybe there's something to this mask stuff for kids :57:

Maybe?  My kids really don't ever get sick, so I didn't notice any difference.

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« Reply #14318 on: July 20, 2021, 02:18:53 PM »
Oh yeah, I don't think I ever mentioned it here... speaking of not ever getting sick, before we got my daughter her first vax shot, I asked her pediatrician to run an antibody test on her.  And, she was positive for C19 antibodies.  She never once complained about feeling badly, she hasn't felt sick in many many years, so I suppose she'd had an asymptomatic case at some point earlier this year.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14319 on: July 20, 2021, 02:59:51 PM »
Oh yeah, I don't think I ever mentioned it here... speaking of not ever getting sick, before we got my daughter her first vax shot, I asked her pediatrician to run an antibody test on her.  And, she was positive for C19 antibodies.  She never once complained about feeling badly, she hasn't felt sick in many many years, so I suppose she'd had an asymptomatic case at some point earlier this year.
Hmm... Very interesting.

I assume that my kids have not had it--at least not prior to widespread vaccination. Between splitting time between two households and occasionally seeing grandparents on both sides, I find it highly unlikely that they wouldn't have spread it to SOMEONE that would have had a symptomatic case. 

I suppose it's possible, but I think unlikely for mine.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14320 on: July 20, 2021, 03:04:26 PM »
Antibodies last roughly 3-5 months, apparently. It's what your body does while it has them that matters. Mine were gone after 4 months or so.
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« Reply #14321 on: July 20, 2021, 03:27:34 PM »
I haven't heard of threats to require masks or lockdown public places

the science and specific stats are not being offered to encourage more folks to be vaccinated, I presume 
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