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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14294 on: July 19, 2021, 02:38:49 PM »
Super expensive wine is usually not "ready to drink", but you can find aged wines that qualify.   I have opened a bottle of pretty expensive wine (split with friends) way too early and it was meh.

This is a mistake some folks make, they pay $2,000 for a new release Bordeaux or Burgundy and drink it.  Something like 7-8 of the ten most expensive wines are usually Burgundies.  

I have some moderately expensive wines sitting around that will just sit for a while because I would want to share them with friends.  

I let one sit around until my 50th birthday and it was past its prime, still good, but obviously not where it should have been.  Lafite '66.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14295 on: July 20, 2021, 08:04:21 AM »
What is up with this?

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/60-people-being-admitted-uk-hospitals-had-two-covid-jabs-adviser-2021-07-19/

He later corrected himself to say that he had it backwards and it’s only 40%, but still that’s a crazy number. Is it because in the UK many have the Astra Zeneca version?

Then there is this:

https://www.kentucky.com/news/coronavirus/article252876588.html

I know the soundbites that are being fed to us are saying that 99% of new hospitalizations are unvaccinated people. But whenever I hear that no one shows any data, it’s just a soundbite.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14296 on: July 20, 2021, 09:12:20 AM »
The AZ vaccine is far less proven than the Moderna and Pfizer vaccine.

There is a reason is has not gained FDA approval.
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« Reply #14297 on: July 20, 2021, 09:14:19 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on July 20, 2021, 09:12:20 AM
The AZ vaccine is far less proven than the Moderna and Pfizer vaccine.

There is a reason is has not gained FDA approval.
Makes sense. I am personally aware of five people here in my work circles that have been vaccinated and have now tested positive for Covid. Two of them have been hospitalized.

booster time?
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14298 on: July 20, 2021, 09:15:45 AM »
The five testing positive I don't consider a big deal by itself.

But two being hospitalized, I consider a VERY big deal.  I hope they're alright.

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« Reply #14299 on: July 20, 2021, 09:17:58 AM »
Quote from: Honestbuckeye on July 20, 2021, 09:14:19 AM
Makes sense. I am personally aware of five people here in my work circles that have been vaccinated and have now tested positive for Covid. Two of them have been hospitalized.

booster time?
Too soon to tell, probably. The vaccine.. I don't think there is anything perfect. You can still get infected, but it's supposed to keep you out of the hospital.

That is disturbing. What VAX did they receive? Any idea?
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« Reply #14300 on: July 20, 2021, 09:22:13 AM »
the two that were hospitalized, were they at high risk?

elderly, obese, diabetics???  
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14301 on: July 20, 2021, 09:51:23 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on July 20, 2021, 09:17:58 AM
Too soon to tell, probably. The vaccine.. I don't think there is anything perfect. You can still get infected, but it's supposed to keep you out of the hospital.

That is disturbing. What VAX did they receive? Any idea?
Pfizer
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« Reply #14302 on: July 20, 2021, 09:52:38 AM »
Quote from: FearlessF on July 20, 2021, 09:22:13 AM
the two that were hospitalized, were they at high risk?

elderly, obese, diabetics??? 
One did.  Mid 50s, not perfect health.  The secon, mid 40s, healthy and although hospitalized- doing well and improving fast. 
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14303 on: July 20, 2021, 11:12:54 AM »
How long has it been since they had the second shot?
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« Reply #14304 on: July 20, 2021, 11:16:57 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on July 20, 2021, 11:12:54 AM
How long has it been since they had the second shot?
Several months.  
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14305 on: July 20, 2021, 12:06:45 PM »
Quote from: Honestbuckeye on July 20, 2021, 08:04:21 AM
What is up with this?

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/60-people-being-admitted-uk-hospitals-had-two-covid-jabs-adviser-2021-07-19/

He later corrected himself to say that he had it backwards and it’s only 40%, but still that’s a crazy number. Is it because in the UK many have the Astra Zeneca version?

Then there is this:

https://www.kentucky.com/news/coronavirus/article252876588.html

I know the soundbites that are being fed to us are saying that 99% of new hospitalizations are unvaccinated people. But whenever I hear that no one shows any data, it’s just a soundbite.
The second article did highlight a study from the UK that showed Pfizer to be 96% effective against hospitalization for the Delta variant, and further highlighted that those who were vaccinated and ended up in the hospital had underlying conditions.

It also mentioned that 55% of Lexington residents were vaccinated. If 55% are vaccinated but only make up 20% of new cases, that's important. And if they make up almost 0 of the hospitalizations, that's even more important. 
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14306 on: July 20, 2021, 12:26:34 PM »
Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on July 20, 2021, 12:06:45 PM
The second article did highlight a study from the UK that showed Pfizer to be 96% effective against hospitalization for the Delta variant, and further highlighted that those who were vaccinated and ended up in the hospital had underlying conditions.

It also mentioned that 55% of Lexington residents were vaccinated. If 55% are vaccinated but only make up 20% of new cases, that's important. And if they make up almost 0 of the hospitalizations, that's even more important.


These are the stats I'd like to see maintained, and published, across all regions.  If we're going to be asked, or even just encouraged, to go back to Stage 4 type restrictions, then they're going to have to provide compelling evidence for vaccinated individuals to do so.

And if they're going to ask vaccinated individuals to mask up, then they're going to need to provide evidence that wearing masks provides a statistically significant amount of additional benefit, on top of the vaccination itself.

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« Reply #14307 on: July 20, 2021, 12:50:01 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on July 20, 2021, 12:26:34 PM
These are the stats I'd like to see maintained, and published, across all regions.  If we're going to be asked, or even just encouraged, to go back to Stage 4 type restrictions, then they're going to have to provide compelling evidence for vaccinated individuals to do so.

And if they're going to ask vaccinated individuals to mask up, then they're going to need to provide evidence that wearing masks provides a statistically significant amount of additional benefit, on top of the vaccination itself.


"They" cannot do that. "They" have already told us that masks don't help, unless they are N95, properly fitted and maintained.

But, "they" will probably try to force us to do it, no matter what THE SCIENCE says.



Got an email from my airline today about an upcoming trip. In it was a statement that "It is a violation of Federal Law to not wear a mask in airports and on airplanes." I've heard the same blaring out at Fort Myers, Punta Gorda, Midway and ORD.

Maybe I missed it, but when did Congress vote on this "law" and when did the President sign it?
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