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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14014 on: June 03, 2021, 06:28:33 PM »
For anyone who follows the case and death totals closely, this week the globally reported deaths total jumped from roughly 3.6M to 3.7M in one day. That's when I noticed Peru's death total upped to over 180k, moving Peru to 5th in terms of deaths. Noticeably, Peru's Deaths/1M rate soared to over 5k, by far the highest in the world:





BBC: "The official death toll is now more than 180,000, up from 69,342, in a country of about 33 million people. Prime Minister Violeta Bermudez said the number was increased on the advice of Peruvian and international experts. This was in line with so-called excess deaths figures. Excess deaths are a measure of how many more people are dying than would be expected based on the previous few years. The official number of Covid deaths now stands at 180,764, a huge increase on the previous official figure of 69,342."

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-57307861




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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14015 on: June 04, 2021, 07:28:17 AM »
the number was increased on the advice of Peruvian and international experts.



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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14016 on: June 04, 2021, 08:53:59 AM »
If we have solid data on "excess deaths", it is reasonable to think they were nearly all COVID deaths.

I don't know if Peru has reliable figures, but they could.

I'd like to visit.  Not now.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14017 on: June 04, 2021, 09:24:38 AM »
For anyone who follows the case and death totals closely, this week the globally reported deaths total jumped from roughly 3.6M to 3.7M in one day. That's when I noticed Peru's death total upped to over 180k, moving Peru to 5th in terms of deaths. Noticeably, Peru's Deaths/1M rate soared to over 5k, by far the highest in the world:

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14018 on: June 05, 2021, 03:44:13 PM »
The Leading Causes of Death in the US for 2020 | Cardiology | JAMA | JAMA Network


IF we assume this has about run its course, did it end up being better, worse, or about what you expected a year ago this time?

I'd say about as I expected, the death toll in the US climbed higher than forecast.  We had some sports, which I think helped.

We got vaccines in record time that appear to being arresting it.  Suicides did not go up, which perhaps is a bit of a surprise.  Most stuff is open and there is an air of normalcy here now.

It could have been worse, really, especially if some variant took hold that was more lethal.  (I know the trend usually is opposite that.)


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14019 on: June 05, 2021, 03:53:05 PM »
Worse. 

A little over a year ago, we were talking about 100-250K deaths as something pretty good. We're at over 600K. 

Remember, that was considered "best case" from the Imperial College of London report that was saying the US would have 2.2M deaths if we did nothing.

Everyone said that prediction was horrible, and completely wrong... But remember, they had three scenarios:


  • Do nothing (including everyone acting as if there was no pandemic): 2.2M deaths over 2 years. 
  • Non-draconian mitigation methods: 1.1M deaths over 2 years
  • Draconian mitigation methods: 100-250K deaths over 2 years

Note: the "over 2 years" is important. I think that study came out March or maybe early April 2020. 

Meaning we're a little over halfway through those two years, and with 600K deaths, we're a little over halfway to 1.1M... But we have the vaccine now [which wasn't contemplated in their analysis].

Sans-vaccine, does anyone doubt we would have ended up at least in the 1M range over the span of two years?

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14020 on: June 05, 2021, 04:01:41 PM »
Without the vaccine .... probably 2 million range.  At some point herd I would limit it.  I had not even contemplated that scenario.

I have a LOT of anti-vaxxers posting ignorant stuff on my FB page.  The irony is back when the candidate they supported was in charge, the vaccine program was the greatest thing since sliced bread.


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14021 on: June 05, 2021, 04:50:30 PM »
Without the vaccine, I don't think it would have been 2M within 2 years, although it might have hit there eventually given area under the curve. 

And honestly I don't know that it would have been 2M anyway.

I believe that was based on over 200M Americans getting the virus over that time, and thus slightly above 1% IFR. Based on estimates of unreported infections to confirmed cases, that seems to be a high assumption for IFR. I think it's probably a little above half that, maybe in the 0.5-0.6% range.

Maybe if all 330M residents of the United States got it, at an IFR close to 0.6%, you'd approach 2M, but herd immunity might stop the spread before everyone got it.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14022 on: June 05, 2021, 06:34:09 PM »
Without the vaccine .... probably 2 million range.  At some point herd I would limit it.  I had not even contemplated that scenario.

I have a LOT of anti-vaxxers posting ignorant stuff on my FB page.  The irony is back when the candidate they supported was in charge, the vaccine program was the greatest thing since sliced bread.


The “ other” irony is the other candidate and most in his party- and their minions, spent lots of money and mouth power to cast doubt on the vaccine. Perhaps we need to give them some credit- especially given the fact that many major cities have special projects in place to get the folks living in the city to get vaccinated.  There is a large gap in those places with many not trusting it. 
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14023 on: June 06, 2021, 10:22:48 AM »
I didn't really know what to expect.

I certainly hoped it wouldn't turn out this bad.

It turned out worse than I expected.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14024 on: June 08, 2021, 03:54:28 PM »
my county in Iowa reported zero new cases yesterday, the first time since February

They've decided to not report the statistics any longer

it's over


Isn't it nice to get to page 1000 of this thread and confidently declare Covid in America over? This past weekend I ran all around Southern California and Arizona and hardly anybody save for cashiers and a few waitresses were wearing masks. It's over.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14025 on: June 08, 2021, 04:11:29 PM »

Isn't it nice to get to page 1000 of this thread and confidently declare Covid in America over? This past weekend I ran all around Southern California and Arizona and hardly anybody save for cashiers and a few waitresses were wearing masks. It's over.
Where in SoCal? 

Here in Orange County, which hasn't exactly been a bastion of COVID compliance, and I have still seen pretty good masking. We're a week out from COVID restrictions statewide being lifted.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14026 on: June 09, 2021, 09:29:50 AM »
Florida has stopped reporting tracking data.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #14027 on: June 09, 2021, 10:46:53 AM »
Florida has stopped reporting tracking data.
I wonder why

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