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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13972 on: May 31, 2021, 12:07:21 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on May 31, 2021, 11:05:43 AM
I'm not sure the world has learned much
Ive learned


Its never as good as scientists say it is

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Its never as bad as the scientists say it is
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13973 on: May 31, 2021, 03:20:50 PM »
Scientists speaks, usually, in a very nuanced form with a lot of hemming and hawwing.

This theory is consistent with the known evidence.  That means "We really don't know, but this might be right in part.  Or Not."

"The balance of opinions is X." That means "We really don't know but we sorta kinda think maybe X, on Tuesdays."

"The consensus opinion is Y".  That of course means "Ralph doesn't agree, but none of us like Ralph at all, so NYAH."

"Studies have demonstrated X."  = "Some studies published in the Outer Mongolian Journal of Irreproducible Results" show X. "

"It was surprisingly shown that K" = "It was pretty obvious that it was K, but we did the work anyway."

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13974 on: June 01, 2021, 10:51:41 AM »
Quote from: FearlessF on May 31, 2021, 10:46:57 AM
it also seems many questions remain unanswered or just not agreed upon

if this happens in the future, it seems that we will be very divided again on shutdown/quarantine or stay open.

both sides of that answer seem to believe they are certainly correct
The states that mostly stayed open, would do so again.

What I wonder about, is what might happen in states and municipalities that instituted more strict shutdowns, and for an extended period of time.  When those people see the rest of the country mostly going about its business, are they going to be willing to abide by the same strict rules once again?  I have my doubts.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13975 on: June 01, 2021, 10:59:19 AM »
as has been discussed........ a more consistent message from leadership would be beneficial

I'm not convinced this will happen, but it could be much better than last year.

simple things such as the restrictions are only to flatten the curve and not overwhelm the hospitals, not to save every life and eradicate the virus.

wear a mask in appropriate settings, but know that the mask will not save you and the mask will not prevent the spread of the virus completely.  It will help.

perhaps with a less divisive character in the white house, the politicians and the press will be able to unify and work together next time.  I'm not too hopeful. 
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13976 on: June 01, 2021, 11:03:02 AM »
Quote from: FearlessF on June 01, 2021, 10:59:19 AM
as has been discussed........ a more consistent message from leadership would be beneficial

I'm not convinced this will happen, but it could be much better than last year.

simple things such as the restrictions are only to flatten the curve and not overwhelm the hospitals, not to save every life and eradicate the virus.

wear a mask in appropriate settings, but know that the mask will not save you and the mask will not prevent the spread of the virus completely.  It will help.

perhaps with a less divisive character in the white house, the politicians and the press will be able to unify and work together next time.  I'm not too hopeful.
Maybe, but as you point out, the messaging needs to be a lot cleaner, and also less bullshitty.  I'm no epdimeologist, but I've had plenty of scientific training, and when my bullshit meter is going off with almost every statement from public health officials, I'm not going to listen to them for very long.  And that has nothing to do with who's in the white house.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13977 on: June 01, 2021, 12:45:14 PM »
The issue with "divisive characters" in part is a portion of the population will immediately disbelieve anything they say, and vice versa.  Instead of considering the message, they consider ONLY the source.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13978 on: June 01, 2021, 01:01:23 PM »
and as Utee points out, even those in public health w/o obvious political agendas did a very poor job communicating
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13979 on: June 01, 2021, 01:26:20 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on June 01, 2021, 01:01:23 PM
and as Utee points out, even those in public health w/o obvious political agendas did a very poor job communicating
considering we were succor punched I think we did a lot of things right and if there is a next time we will do more things right

it gets a little tiresome watching all the finger pointing 

Americans have had to overcome various kinds of crap since this country's founding and it has become a kind of tradition 







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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13980 on: June 01, 2021, 01:39:36 PM »
The finger pointing is negative for sure, but any analysis of what who and how can be useful in the future.

Who did the best (so far) and why?  Sweden?  Germany?  Japan?  (Islands have an ad).  

Did New Jersey DO something heinous or was it just a result of being near all those airports?  I won't get into NY state.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13981 on: June 01, 2021, 02:38:51 PM »
NJ did the same thing that NY did with the elderly. So did Michigan. I don't know the others.

Florida did very well, and half of the people who live here in the Winter came from the Midwest and Northeast. Who knows how many cases were brought with them.

Clearly we were all wrong early on about the Spring Break thing. Outdoors and warm was not and is not a danger.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13982 on: June 01, 2021, 02:40:43 PM »
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NJ did the same thing that NY did with the elderly. So did Michigan. I don't know the others.

Florida did very well, and half of the people who live here in the Winter came from the Midwest and Northeast. Who knows how many cases were brought with them.

Clearly we were all wrong early on about the Spring Break thing. Outdoors and warm was not and is not a danger.

Yup, Spring Break specifically, and just the general high level of travel into and out of Florida, is why I made the comment I did back in April 2020 about expecting Florida to experience a large increase.  And I'm delighted to have been wrong about that.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13983 on: June 01, 2021, 02:45:20 PM »
It would be nice to have a nonpartisan credible professional review of what did and did not work, to the extent anything worked.

Learn from mistakes, and successes.

Chance of that?  About the same as snow here today.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13984 on: June 01, 2021, 02:58:20 PM »
seems this national association would be interested..............

Founded in 1847, the American Medical Association (AMA) is the largest and only national association that convenes 190+ state and specialty medical societies and other critical stakeholders. Throughout history, the AMA has always followed its mission: to promote the art and science of medicine and the betterment of public health.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13985 on: June 01, 2021, 03:09:40 PM »
That organization is not without its warts.
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