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Topic: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13930 on: May 28, 2021, 08:43:17 AM »
That isn't really accurate - members of WHO were talking it being transmissable and a big threat, and what the "insistence" was really one tweet saying the evidence wasn't clear and was designed to placate China (who is also a major donor to WHO). WHO has no power in itself, so pissing off China is a good way to have no ability to do anything whatsoever. That ended up pissing off America, though our response was sort of snivelling more than any sort of major policy.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13931 on: May 28, 2021, 08:47:37 AM »
Yeah, OK.

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Yes, that's the one tweet. Saying WHO was insistent on it is quite inaccurate. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13932 on: May 28, 2021, 08:48:43 AM »
That isn't really accurate - members of WHO were talking it being transmissable and a big threat, and what the "insistence" was really one tweet saying the evidence wasn't clear and was designed to placate China (who is also a major donor to WHO). WHO has no power in itself, so pissing off China is a good way to have no ability to do anything whatsoever. That ended up pissing off America, though our response was sort of snivelling more than any sort of major policy.
I'm not sure I agree that our response to the WHO's outright lying and manipulation was "sniveling."  The USA pulled its funding from the WHO.

That funding was subsequently reinstated earlier this year, for reasons we can't discuss on this thread.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13933 on: May 28, 2021, 08:58:10 AM »
I'm not sure I agree that our response to the WHO's outright lying and manipulation was "sniveling."  The USA pulled its funding from the WHO.

That funding was subsequently reinstated earlier this year, for reasons we can't discuss on this thread.
Well, without making it political, we also got caught lying and manipulating about COVID, so pulling WHO funding felt more like scapegoating than some actual policy rooted in fact. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13934 on: May 28, 2021, 09:01:11 AM »
Well, without making it political, we also got caught lying and manipulating about COVID, so pulling WHO funding felt more like scapegoating than some actual policy rooted in fact.
Red herring, common logical fallacy.

You stated our response was sniveling.  I responded that we pulled all funding.  That doesn't constitute a "sniveling" response. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13935 on: May 28, 2021, 09:03:35 AM »
Well, without making it political, we also got caught lying and manipulating about COVID, so pulling WHO funding felt more like scapegoating than some actual policy rooted in fact.
Yes, "we" did.


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13936 on: May 28, 2021, 10:32:30 AM »
Saying there is no evidence doesn't mean evidence won't surface later.

It may well have been true at the time there was no evidence, I dunno when he said that.  There is SOME evidence now, but it is hardly compelling.

We still don't know, and may never know, for sure.


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13937 on: May 28, 2021, 10:36:27 AM »
That was from last May, 2020. There was evidence then, but it was silenced.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13938 on: May 28, 2021, 12:33:58 PM »
Red herring, common logical fallacy.

You stated our response was sniveling.  I responded that we pulled all funding.  That doesn't constitute a "sniveling" response.

Sniveling, as in pouty and ineffective. Taking away our funding just makes WHO more reliant on China, which is directly counter to our interests.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13939 on: May 28, 2021, 01:14:36 PM »
Sniveling, as in pouty and ineffective. Taking away our funding just makes WHO more reliant on China, which is directly counter to our interests.
Its not a matter of trying to keep China from influencing WHO

That has already happened

Its a matter of not funding an organization that does not have the US's well being at heart or the rest of the World for that matter

Has anyone looked at a list of countries that fund WHO and by how much

The US was/is funding around $600M vs China's $75M

For WHO to treat us the way they did our action was warranted
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13940 on: May 28, 2021, 01:24:55 PM »
Sniveling, as in pouty and ineffective. Taking away our funding just makes WHO more reliant on China, which is directly counter to our interests.
We hardly need some bullshit organization siphoning off more funds from the teetering treasury.Put it in something over here.The CCP lied thru their teeth months ago when they stated they only had 5 thousand some odd deaths from covid.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13941 on: May 28, 2021, 02:42:09 PM »
Sniveling, as in pouty and ineffective. Taking away our funding just makes WHO more reliant on China, which is directly counter to our interests.
Its not a matter of trying to keep China from influencing WHO

That has already happened

Its a matter of not funding an organization that does not have the US's well being at heart or the rest of the World for that matter

Has anyone looked at a list of countries that fund WHO and by how much

The US was/is funding around $600M vs China's $75M

For WHO to treat us the way they did our action was warranted

Yeah, I have to completely disagree with you Max, and agree with LH320.  The WHO has already proven it's completely subservient to China.  There is zero point in continuing funding to that corrupt organization.  If you want to talk about "sniveling," the picture next to the definition in the dictionary, is the WHO.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13942 on: May 28, 2021, 02:53:35 PM »
WHO might well just be incompetent instead of subservient and corrupt.  It's a possibility.  They could also be all three.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13943 on: May 28, 2021, 03:31:56 PM »
Yeah, I have to completely disagree with you Max, and agree with LH320.  The WHO has already proven it's completely subservient to China.  There is zero point in continuing funding to that corrupt organization.  If you want to talk about "sniveling," the picture next to the definition in the dictionary, is the WHO.
Well, I'm sure they were subservient to China. They were undoubtedly subservient to us. We helped set their agenda and pick their programs. People act as if they are some sort of powerful entity that somehow lords over world health. In reality, they are a relatively small entity that does much of their work in parts of Africa and other poorer areas. Their total budget is about four billion less than the CDC. They have no independent power to override China or anyone else - they have to navigate that same sea that people like John Cena find themselves in.

Anyways, I feel pretty confident saying our response and statements about COVID were many times more incompetent and dishonest than anything the WHO did. 

 

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