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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13440 on: April 15, 2021, 07:59:38 PM »
this kinda goes with keeping up with mutations from year to year

this makes me wonder if this is a ploy to fall in line with Facui and the CDC

about always having to be careful even if you had the vaccinations
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13441 on: April 15, 2021, 08:55:03 PM »
56 hours later post shot two, feel fine.  About 10 hrs of aches was about it. 
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13442 on: April 15, 2021, 08:58:54 PM »
amazing how some folks have almost nothing wrong after the shots and some have to declare defcon 2
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13443 on: April 15, 2021, 09:03:32 PM »
Quote from: longhorn320 on April 15, 2021, 07:59:38 PM
this kinda goes with keeping up with mutations from year to year

this makes me wonder if this is a ploy to fall in line with Facui and the CDC

about always having to be careful even if you had the vaccinations
It's weird though... This doesn't mutate like the flu. So it doesn't make sense that we necessarily need annual boosters. 

Given the situation with this, I can see that there may be a necessity to vaccinate to the South African variant and potentially other variants that might occur between between now and the time of the booster...

But I don't see why we shouldn't be able to get ahead of this, given the slower mutation rate than influenza, and get rid of it in a year...

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13444 on: April 15, 2021, 09:13:23 PM »
Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on April 15, 2021, 09:03:32 PM
It's weird though... This doesn't mutate like the flu. So it doesn't make sense that we necessarily need annual boosters.

Given the situation with this, I can see that there may be a necessity to vaccinate to the South African variant and potentially other variants that might occur between between now and the time of the booster...

But I don't see why we shouldn't be able to get ahead of this, given the slower mutation rate than influenza, and get rid of it in a year...


makes one wonder about a profit motive
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13445 on: April 15, 2021, 09:41:17 PM »
I'm not wondering

I'm convinced

follow the money
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13446 on: April 15, 2021, 09:54:36 PM »
Eh, I'm not willing to assign this to the boogeyman of corporate greed just yet.

I know bwar doesn't think it's mutating quickly enough to warrant such measures, but I think the Brazilian variant, UK variant, and South African variant would all disagree with this hypothesis.  These are three major, significantly more infectious mutations, that all occurred with 6-9 months of the original strains entering those regions.

As I've said for the past 11 months or so, I'm not confident we're going to be able to contain this virus via human intervention mechanisms.

But ultimately, it will no longer be seen as a novel virus by our systems, and we'll build up our own natural immunity to it.  It will become one of many coronaviruses that affect and harm us on an annual basis, but it will no longer be the killer that it currently is.


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13447 on: April 15, 2021, 10:13:14 PM »

Quote from: utee94 on April 15, 2021, 09:54:36 PM
Eh, I'm not willing to assign this to the boogeyman of corporate greed just yet.

I know bwar doesn't think it's mutating quickly enough to warrant such measures, but I think the Brazilian variant, UK variant, and South African variant would all disagree with this hypothesis.  These are three major, significantly more infectious mutations, that all occurred with 6-9 months of the original strains entering those regions.

As I've said for the past 11 months or so, I'm not confident we're going to be able to contain this virus via human intervention mechanisms.

But ultimately, it will no longer be seen as a novel virus by our systems, and we'll build up our own natural immunity to it.  It will become one of many coronaviruses that affect and harm us on an annual basis, but it will no longer be the killer that it currently is.



The vaccines have only been out there for 4.5 months and they are talking about needing a booster

how do they know

what do they know they arent telling us

this really pisses me off
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13448 on: April 15, 2021, 10:21:48 PM »
Quote from: longhorn320 on April 15, 2021, 10:13:14 PM
The vaccines have only been out there for 4.5 months and they are talking about needing a booster

how do they know

what do they know they arent telling us

this really pisses me off

They know there are numerous global mutations that are "challenging" to the existing vaccines. 

This is not surprising at all given what we know about viral mutations.

I don't know what other data you're looking for? 
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13449 on: April 15, 2021, 10:59:54 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on April 15, 2021, 10:21:48 PM
They know there are numerous global mutations that are "challenging" to the existing vaccines. 

This is not surprising at all given what we know about viral mutations.

I don't know what other data you're looking for? 
How do the current vaccines do against these mutations

have you read anything on that

I havent

obviously they must have data that says not good or they wouldnt be talking about a booster

it would be nice to know a little more then they are telling us
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13450 on: April 15, 2021, 11:16:24 PM »
Quote from: longhorn320 on April 15, 2021, 10:59:54 PM
How do the current vaccines do against these mutations

have you read anything on that

I havent

obviously they must have data that says not good or they wouldnt be talking about a booster

it would be nice to know a little more then they are telling us
Yeah I hear ya on this.  It's sort of an extension of the problem we've been discussing for the past several pages.  The messaging has been confusing, and sometimes just straight-up alarming.

Initially they thought that the existing vaccines were holding up well against the mutations.  I haven't seen a ton of recent data, but these comments aren't particularly encouraging.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13451 on: April 16, 2021, 08:46:02 AM »
perhaps the reason to continue to wear masks is fear of variants causing sickness and therefore a small number of cases can impact the percentages of effectiveness?

perhaps another reason J&J was paused, not as effective vs one or more of the variants?

6 blood clots out of nearly 7 million doesn't sound right
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13452 on: April 16, 2021, 08:56:30 AM »
Quote from: FearlessF on April 16, 2021, 08:46:02 AM
perhaps the reason to continue to wear masks is fear of variants causing sickness and therefore a small number of cases can impact the percentages of effectiveness?

perhaps another reason J&J was paused, not as effective vs one or more of the variants?

6 blood clots out of nearly 7 million doesn't sound right

I mean, that's probably a stated reason for wearing masks, but when does it end? We're in big trouble if the goal has moved from "flatten the curve to avoid overrunning the hospitals" to "get to herd immunity" to "eradicate the virus."  The last one is never, ever going to happen. 

And I don't think J&J is pausing due to being ineffective, I really do think it's the blood clot issue.  Once we moved from "following the science-based statistical plan" to doing things "out of an abundance of caution" we were pretty much already lost on this thing.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13453 on: April 16, 2021, 09:15:03 AM »
The goalposts are going to keep moving with this thing for a long time. We are 18 months in. Medications will be developed, along with better treatment. This will turn into nothing more than another coronavirus. We'll be fine.

Moderna is working on a combo flu/covid shot. That is promising stuff. 
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