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utee94

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13384 on: April 14, 2021, 10:22:33 AM »
I mean, isn't Fauci supposed to be encouraging people to get the vaccine?  Isn't that the whole point here?

Meanwhile, here's a statement Trump made on the subject:

“I would recommend it, and I would recommend it to a lot of people that don’t want to get it, and a lot of those people voted for me, frankly,” he said during a Fox News interview Tuesday night.

“We have our freedoms and we have to live by that, and I agree with that also,” he said. “But it is a great vaccine. It is a safe vaccine, and it is something that works.”

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13385 on: April 14, 2021, 10:45:36 AM »
Better late than never, I guess...
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13386 on: April 14, 2021, 10:50:44 AM »
Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on April 14, 2021, 10:45:36 AM
Better late than never, I guess...
Huh???   He was doing everything in his power to create the vaccines and bring them to market.  

meanwhile- the opposite side was doing everything they could to cast doubt on the vaccines being in reach, and being trustworthy.  

This is not debatable. 
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13387 on: April 14, 2021, 11:04:54 AM »
Moderna Round 2 a little while ago. 
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13388 on: April 14, 2021, 11:07:45 AM »
Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on April 14, 2021, 10:45:36 AM
Better late than never, I guess...
there's that clear concise message we were all waiting for!!!
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13389 on: April 14, 2021, 11:08:19 AM »
Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on April 14, 2021, 10:45:36 AM
Better late than never, I guess...

Yeah, like HB said, if you're talking about the vaccines, then I can't agree.  He was pushing for them all along.  You might (and have :) ) argue that ANY president would have done the same, and that might be true.  But what we know for sure, is that Trump did it.

Now, did he do everything he could have to promote science-based health and safety initiatives throughout the pandemic?  That part is certainly debatable.

But really his politics are neither here nor there-- I was specifically pointing out an example of GOOD statesmanship with respect to encouraging the public to get the COVID vaccine, in direct contrast to the kinds of things Fauci routinely says.

There are probably some examples of good statesmanship on the subject from Biden as well, I just haven't heard any of them because the MSM don't vivisect him for every statement he makes.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13390 on: April 14, 2021, 11:11:53 AM »
NEW BRUNSWICK, N.J., February 27, 2021 – Johnson & Johnson (NYSE: JNJ) (the Company) today announced that the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has issued Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) for its single-dose COVID-19 vaccine, developed by the Janssen Pharmaceutical Companies of Johnson & Johnson, to prevent COVID-19 in individuals 18 years of age and older.

This decision was based on the totality of scientific evidence, including data from the Phase 3 ENSEMBLE study that demonstrated the vaccine was 85 percent effective in preventing severe disease across all regions studied, and showed protection against COVID-19 related hospitalization and death, beginning 28 days after vaccination.

The terms of the EUA allow use of the vaccine while more data are gathered. The Company plans to file for a Biologics License Application (BLA) with the FDA later in 2021.

“This milestone follows a year of incredible work by our dedicated teams and unprecedented collaboration with health leaders around the world – all of whom shared a goal of bringing a single-shot vaccine to the public,” said Alex Gorsky, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer at Johnson & Johnson. “We will do everything we can to help bring this pandemic to an end, in the United States and throughout the world.”


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so, J&J vaccine was authorized for use during the Trump Admin!
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13391 on: April 14, 2021, 11:22:20 AM »
The latest Vaccination Stats for the US

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13392 on: April 14, 2021, 11:37:36 AM »
Quote from: longhorn320 on April 14, 2021, 11:22:20 AM
The latest Vaccination Stats for the US


I'm not sure I understand how the blue line could ever go DOWN?

The Y-axis is unlabeled but from the magnitude of the scale, I'm assuming this is a total-shots-in-arms metric, rather than a weekly rate of injection.
So what happened back on 3/15, and on 4/12?  Did people get UN-shot?

What am I missing?
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13393 on: April 14, 2021, 11:38:56 AM »
Quote from: Honestbuckeye on April 14, 2021, 10:50:44 AM
Huh???  He was doing everything in his power to create the vaccines and bring them to market. 

meanwhile- the opposite side was doing everything they could to cast doubt on the vaccines being in reach, and being trustworthy. 
Not going to address this here, because it will get VERY political, but if you want my take on this here, ask me in the "In other news" thread...

Quote from: utee94 on April 14, 2021, 11:08:19 AM
Yeah, like HB said, if you're talking about the vaccines, then I can't agree.  He was pushing for them all along.  You might (and have :) ) argue that ANY president would have done the same, and that might be true.  But what we know for sure, is that Trump did it.

Now, did he do everything he could have to promote science-based health and safety initiatives throughout the pandemic?  That part is certainly debatable.

But really his politics are neither here nor there-- I was specifically pointing out an example of GOOD statesmanship with respect to encouraging the public to get the COVID vaccine, in direct contrast to the kinds of things Fauci routinely says.

There are probably some examples of good statesmanship on the subject from Biden as well, I just haven't heard any of them because the MSM don't vivisect him for every statement he makes.
Same with this. If I say what I want to say to this in this thread, it'll get deleted. If we want to discuss in the other thread, I'll let you know what I really think lol...
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13394 on: April 14, 2021, 11:43:15 AM »
Quote from: utee94 on April 14, 2021, 11:37:36 AM
I'm not sure I understand how the blue line could ever go DOWN?

The Y-axis is unlabeled but from the magnitude of the scale, I'm assuming this is a total-shots-in-arms metric, rather than a weekly rate of injection.
So what happened back on 3/15, and on 4/12?  Did people get UN-shot?

What am I missing?
Yeah, I don't understand the graph at all. 

What COULD have happened is that some of those who had one shot were converted into people who had two shots... Which would explain how the number could go down. But those who have gotten two shots should be a superset of those who have gotten one, which means the line of those who have gotten one shot should have ALWAYS been above the two-shot line. 

This graph is a stupid way to present data. The question shouldn't be one shot or two shots, because we have J&J which is a one-shot vaccine and Pfizer/Moderna which are two-shot. The better way to present it would be partially vaccinated as one line and fully vaccinated as the other line. If someone gets a single shot of J&J, or two shots of Pfizer/Moderna, they count as fully vaccinated. If they only have one shot of Pfizer/Moderna, they count as partially-vaccinated. With that, the partially-vaccinated line will always be equal or above the fully-vaccinated line, and it gives you a MUCH clearer picture of the situation.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13395 on: April 14, 2021, 11:48:03 AM »
Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on April 14, 2021, 11:38:56 AM
Not going to address this here, because it will get VERY political, but if you want my take on this here, ask me in the "In other news" thread...
Same with this. If I say what I want to say to this in this thread, it'll get deleted. If we want to discuss in the other thread, I'll let you know what I really think lol...
You can respond-- right here-- if you think I'm incorrect when I say that Trump pushed for, and advocated, the vaccines, all along.  That's not a political discussion, if we stay way from underlying motives and party platforms.

You can also respond-- right here-- if you think I'm incorrect when I say that Trump's statement of support for the vaccines is MUCH more encouraging than the average, common statements we get from Fauci, some examples of which are on the preceding pages of this thread.

I'm not throwing a Trump rally here, I'm showing the sharp contrast between good statesmanship, and poor statesmanship, when the alleged goal of the two speakers is to produce the exact same outcome.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13396 on: April 14, 2021, 11:49:59 AM »
Quote from: utee94 on April 14, 2021, 11:37:36 AM
I'm not sure I understand how the blue line could ever go DOWN?

The Y-axis is unlabeled but from the magnitude of the scale, I'm assuming this is a total-shots-in-arms metric, rather than a weekly rate of injection.
So what happened back on 3/15, and on 4/12?  Did people get UN-shot?

What am I missing?
The one shot will go down if more of those get their 2nd shot then get their first shot that day

yes the Y axis is number of vaccinations
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13397 on: April 14, 2021, 11:50:13 AM »
Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on April 14, 2021, 11:43:15 AM
Yeah, I don't understand the graph at all.

What COULD have happened is that some of those who had one shot were converted into people who had two shots... Which would explain how the number could go down. But those who have gotten two shots should be a superset of those who have gotten one, which means the line of those who have gotten one shot should have ALWAYS been above the two-shot line.

This graph is a stupid way to present data. The question shouldn't be one shot or two shots, because we have J&J which is a one-shot vaccine and Pfizer/Moderna which are two-shot. The better way to present it would be partially vaccinated as one line and fully vaccinated as the other line. If someone gets a single shot of J&J, or two shots of Pfizer/Moderna, they count as fully vaccinated. If they only have one shot of Pfizer/Moderna, they count as partially-vaccinated. With that, the partially-vaccinated line will always be equal or above the fully-vaccinated line, and it gives you a MUCH clearer picture of the situation.

Exactement.

And that's how I've seen it presented elsewhere, which is why this graph confused me.
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