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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13216 on: April 01, 2021, 04:17:01 PM »
robust vaccine rollout worldwide
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13217 on: April 01, 2021, 05:14:30 PM »
There is no evidence that there will be mutations. It's had 18 months to do so and it has not. Therefore, I don't have any reason to believe this will mutate.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13218 on: April 01, 2021, 05:23:00 PM »
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13219 on: April 01, 2021, 05:28:01 PM »
Some of youse guys have been lulz at my theories the whole time.

I've been more right than wrong, so I'm happy to get the lulz.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13220 on: April 01, 2021, 05:32:29 PM »
eh

agree to disagree



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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13221 on: April 01, 2021, 05:36:15 PM »
Disagree.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13222 on: April 01, 2021, 05:38:36 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on April 01, 2021, 05:14:30 PM
There is no evidence that there will be mutations. It's had 18 months to do so and it has not. Therefore, I don't have any reason to believe this will mutate.
There is proof that there already are mutations. 

The strain that originated in Wuhan changed significantly when it went to Europe and then headed to the US East Coast, from what we imported directly from China earlier on the West Coast. There were unique strains discovered in the UK and in South Africa. There's a lot of speculation (I'm not sure if it's borne out) that one of the reasons California got hit so insanely hard during the holidays when it had it easier early in the pandemic was that a new strain developed here. 

With the exception of that last one, all of the other distinct strains were proven out via genetic sequencing. There absolutely has been mutation. 

That's how viruses work. At ANY point, a virus can mutate, and that mutation could make the virus more or less dangerous. It's usually less, because for a virus to get to the point where it is so easily transmissible means it's pretty damn optimized already, so most changes will be negative. But not all... 

The question is whether it'll mutate ENOUGH that the vaccines will no longer be effective. So far that hasn't been the case, as far as we can tell. Whether it will or not is unknown. 
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13223 on: April 01, 2021, 05:42:58 PM »
There are variants, of course. If there were mutations (like the flu), the current vaccine would not work on them - as they do.

I talked to the surgeon about this today. He's smart.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13224 on: April 01, 2021, 05:47:22 PM »
A variant is a mutation.  I'm not sure what your argument is here. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13225 on: April 01, 2021, 06:04:15 PM »
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13226 on: April 01, 2021, 06:20:17 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on April 01, 2021, 05:47:22 PM
A variant is a mutation.  I'm not sure what your argument is here.


A variant is a strain in most cases, but not all strains. All Strains are variants.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13227 on: April 01, 2021, 06:22:36 PM »
I'd also like to know why it is OK to refer to variants as the UK, the Brazil, etc., while we cannot refer to the origin of the main novel virus.

Is there a difference?
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13228 on: April 01, 2021, 06:25:40 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on April 01, 2021, 06:20:17 PM
A variant is a strain in most cases, but not all strains. All Strains are variants.
Any change in the virus is a mutation.  
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13229 on: April 01, 2021, 06:26:01 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on April 01, 2021, 06:20:17 PM
A variant is a strain in most cases, but not all strains. All Strains are variants.
All strains and all variants are mutations. You said there's no evidence of mutations... 

The only difference between a variant and a strain is that a variant is a mutation that doesn't seem to have any behavioral effect on the function of the virus, whereas a strain has some sort of behavior different from the strain it mutated away from.

Quote from: 847badgerfan on April 01, 2021, 06:22:36 PM
I'd also like to know why it is OK to refer to variants as the UK, the Brazil, etc., while we cannot refer to the origin of the main novel virus.

Is there a difference?
I'd answer that question... But there's to be no politics in this thread :57:
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