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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12978 on: March 16, 2021, 01:11:32 PM »
The validity of a poll has more to do with its sample size and less to do whether a person agrees with it or not.
It has a LOT to do with the nature of the group being polled.  Rep sample?  Or selective?

Sample size is less important than the nature of the group.  I could poll a million liberal voters and get one answer and vice versa.  Poll size doesn't compensate for an unbalanced polling group.

And it's not easy to assure the polled group is reflective of the greater whole.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12979 on: March 16, 2021, 01:14:42 PM »
It has a LOT to do with the nature of the group being polled.  Rep sample?  Or selective?

Sample size is less important than the nature of the group.  I could poll a million liberal voters and get one answer and vice versa.  Poll size doesn't compensate for an unbalanced polling group.

And it's not easy to assure the polled group is reflective of the greater whole.
That's simply negated by specifying the population you polled.  A million liberal voters is going to produce VERY valid results as long as you know they polled liberal voters.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12980 on: March 16, 2021, 01:17:20 PM »
IF the selection is obvious in the poll, then yes, but it's not always obvious, nor balanced, nor explained, especially by lesser known polling outfits.

Obviously, a poll of some FB group is ridiculous by any metric.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12981 on: March 16, 2021, 01:17:40 PM »
Personally I would never get the vaccine, I would never get the flu vaccine. I am not an anti-vaxer I just don't like the idea of injecting myself with foreign bodies, whether dead virus, live weaken virus or mRNA.  I have never had the flu, never had pneumonia, generally very healthy for my 60 years. 

I certainly don't like the idea that the Covid vaccines haven't been tested as much as other vaccines. I have recommended to my wife (the investor in my family) to hold the Moderna, Pfzifer and Johnson & Johnson Stocks for the ride up, but don't hold long term because I can see the lawsuits coming from whatever side effects that will be attributed to the vaccines. 

All that said, I love my newborn granddaughter who was born with CF more than I hate getting vaccinated, so I have got the flu shot and have received the 1st covid shot. 

Personally I think I am more likely to get sick from the vaccines than I think I will catch what the vaccine is protecting me against. But I don't think I will get so sick from the vaccines. 

And I am still convinced we have responded completely wrong to the pandemic.  They only thing we did is spread out the area under the curve and destroyed so many people and their livelihood unnecessarily. The "supposed" cure was worse than the disease. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12982 on: March 16, 2021, 01:28:38 PM »
535,000 Americans disagree
2,150,000 "others" disagree as well.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12983 on: March 16, 2021, 01:40:09 PM »
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12984 on: March 16, 2021, 01:45:14 PM »
535,000 Americans disagree
2,150,000 "others" disagree as well.

As I said, I only think we spread out the area under the curve.  We did not change the area.  What we did was destroy other people's lives and livelihoods along with those you cite. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12985 on: March 16, 2021, 01:46:01 PM »
The US had just under 2.9 million deaths to all causes in 2019.  This is a very predictable figure, it rises a bit each year predictably.

We're going to see a large jump in 2020 of about 300,000 to about 3.2 million from COVID that really started only in March/April.

So, yes, nearly 3 million die "normally" and only a tenth as many died of/with COVID, but it a significant jump.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12986 on: March 16, 2021, 01:46:15 PM »
As I said, I only think we spread out the area under the curve.  We did not change the area.  What we did was destroy other people's lives and livelihoods along with those you cite.
Agree.  
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12987 on: March 16, 2021, 01:46:44 PM »
As I said, I only think we spread out the area under the curve.  We did not change the area.  What we did was destroy other people's lives and livelihoods along with those you cite.
I think there is some validity in spreading it out, e.g., to keep hospitals from being overwhelmed.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12988 on: March 16, 2021, 02:23:56 PM »
and also, one year ago, we didn't know what the effects would be.  To the virus spread or people's lives and livelihoods.  It was worth a shot.

 we all have our opinions regarding if more or less precautions, quarantining, should have been done, early, lately or going forward to try to save hospital beds and caskets.

I'm not sure anyone will ever know if they were right or wrong
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12989 on: March 16, 2021, 02:30:25 PM »
The nursing home thing is staggering. 175K deaths from that source alone.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12990 on: March 16, 2021, 02:32:22 PM »
some of us might be correct in thinking long term care facilities for the elderly should have been more protected
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12991 on: March 16, 2021, 03:01:24 PM »
and also, one year ago, we didn't know what the effects would be.  To the virus spread or people's lives and livelihoods.  It was worth a shot.
BTW we still don't know what the effects will be to those who survived the virus. There are a lot of people reporting significant lingering effects. 

 

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