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Topic: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12908 on: March 15, 2021, 12:37:09 PM »
not sure how much contact tracing they were doing back then

I'd say lack of science

the politicians would have loved to blame college kids and the governors of Florida and Texas
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12909 on: March 15, 2021, 12:37:14 PM »
just because there's no evidence, doesn't mean it didn't happen
Take your Russia talk to the In Other News thread.


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12910 on: March 15, 2021, 12:47:46 PM »
not sure how much contact tracing they were doing back then

I'd say lack of science

the politicians would have loved to blame college kids and the governors of Florida and Texas
They did. MSM too. 
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12911 on: March 15, 2021, 12:48:09 PM »
Take your Russia talk to the In Other News thread.


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12912 on: March 15, 2021, 01:21:06 PM »
No evidence of that.
Uhh, you don't recall the cell phone map?  
And spring breakers bringing new germs back home with them is a certainty.  Whether they caused covid spikes back home would require evidence, yes.  
But since when are you concerned with evidence?
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12913 on: March 15, 2021, 01:28:53 PM »
Uhh, you don't recall the cell phone map? 
And spring breakers bringing new germs back home with them is a certainty.  Whether they caused covid spikes back home would require evidence, yes. 
But since when are you concerned with evidence?
You tell me OFA.  Which side will make you agree with me?
The side that claims “science” but provides zero evidence for it and harasses those who don’t follow their rules? Or the side that presents evidence but has the evidence shut down by the main stream media?

you see how it has been working?  There is no winning here. 

And yes I very clearly remember that cell phone map. It illustrated that the kids leaving the college campuses were taking the spread with them from the college campuses and taking them with them wherever they went.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12914 on: March 15, 2021, 01:36:02 PM »
You tell me OFA.  Which side will make you agree with me?
The side that claims “science” but provides zero evidence for it and harasses those who don’t follow their rules? Or the side that presents evidence but has the evidence shut down by the main stream media?

you see how it has been working?  There is no winning here. 

All evidence isn't equal.
The lack of evidence you bitch about is largely the UNCERTAINTY science made a note of when all of this began.  And with uncertainty comes cautiousness.  Not truth, not slanted news coverage, just prudent cautiousness.  
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On the other side, the "evidence" is that in name only.  Or it's circumstantial.  Or anecdotal.  Those types of evidences do exist, and sadly, aren't "good" or convincing.  One side doesn't know what valid evidence even is.  
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Personally, I find a conversation about evidence with a believer as a colossal waste of time.  But I can't say that, because you'll feel attacked.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12915 on: March 15, 2021, 01:45:10 PM »
All evidence isn't equal.
The lack of evidence you bitch about is largely the UNCERTAINTY science made a note of when all of this began.  And with uncertainty comes cautiousness.  Not truth, not slanted news coverage, just prudent cautiousness. 
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On the other side, the "evidence" is that in name only.  Or it's circumstantial.  Or anecdotal.  Those types of evidences do exist, and sadly, aren't "good" or convincing.  One side doesn't know what valid evidence even is. 
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Personally, I find a conversation about evidence with a believer as a colossal waste of time.  But I can't say that, because you'll feel attacked.
No- I actually agree with you-except-  Nobody gets a pass here. All “ sides” used the term “ science “ for political gain, IMHO.  That is a big disappointment. 
if I give you an example it’s not to point the finger but just to give a very clear example. When the governor of Michigan locked down churches but kept dispensaries open and liquor stores, even when the churches agreed to require masks and practice strict social distancing, she cited “science“.  Really?  Evidence?   
that’s all I am saying.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12916 on: March 15, 2021, 01:49:41 PM »
Should be pretty easy to figure out-- was there a large spike in hospitalizations in the areas of dispersement on the map below, within 3 weeks of April 4th (the date of this map)?

I don't recall there being anything major-- other than in areas that were already hot spots like NYC-- until June/July.  But I certainly don't remember everything about what happened after Spring Break last year.




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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12917 on: March 15, 2021, 02:45:46 PM »
Back then, I believe I made the point about fans in stadiums, but it's the same point......no one did that research.  I'm not complaining,it would be a herculean task. 
But no one drilled down and did a focused study on that, did they?  I'd be stunned if they did, anyway.
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It was likely that the two 20 year olds breathing in each other's faces having sex for the 3rd time spread Covid.  None of them were likely in a confined indoor space with many other people for an extended period of time.  
It's just all a mess.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12918 on: March 15, 2021, 06:09:16 PM »
BERLIN (AP) — A cascading number of European countries — including Germany, France, Italy and Spain — suspended use of AstraZeneca’s COVID-19 vaccine Monday over reports of dangerous blood clots in some recipients, though the company and international regulators say there is no evidence the shot is to blame.

AstraZeneca’s formula is one of three vaccines in use on the continent. But the escalating concern is another setback for the European Union’s vaccination drive, which has been plagued by shortages and other hurdles and is lagging well behind the campaigns in Britain and the U.S.

The EU’s drug regulatory agency called a meeting for Thursday to review experts’ findings on the AstraZeneca shot and decide whether action needs to be taken.

The furor comes as much of Europe is tightening restrictions on schools and businesses amid surging cases of COVID-19.

Germany’s health minister said the decision to suspend AstraZeneca shots was taken on the advice of the country’s vaccine regulator, the Paul Ehrlich Institute, which called for further investigation into seven cases of clots in the brains of people who had been vaccinated.

“Today’s decision is a purely precautionary measure,” Jens Spahn said.

French President Emmanuel Macron said his country will likewise stop dispensing the vaccine until at least Tuesday afternoon. Italy also announced a temporary ban, as did Spain, Portugal and Slovenia.

Other countries that have done so over the past few days include Denmark, which was the first, as well as Ireland, Thailand, the Netherlands, Norway, Iceland, Congo and Bulgaria. Canada and Britain are standing by the vaccine for now.


https://apnews.com/article/germany-suspends-astrazeneca-vaccine-blood-clotting-0ab2c4fe13370c96c873e896387eb92f
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12919 on: March 15, 2021, 06:15:08 PM »
Thank You FF I was going to post similar,you get a Yuengling
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12920 on: March 15, 2021, 06:21:59 PM »
I sold my AZN holdings about 1.5 months ago. Glad I did.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12921 on: March 15, 2021, 06:43:35 PM »
I keep seeing headlines showing folks are afraid or just not planning to get vaccinated..............

It's also apparent to me that the folks against the vaccine are less educated overall.

Why isn't there a national or state by state effort to educate folks about the vaccines?  benefits and detriments 

again, no concise clear message from leaders.  not the CDC, not the White House, not Governors, no one.
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