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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12530 on: February 16, 2021, 08:58:22 AM »
Looks like Florida is pretty good at this.


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12531 on: February 16, 2021, 09:17:00 AM »
I've been in the industry since 1984, and I've never seen as much construction as I'm seeing right now.

During a pandemic, no less.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12532 on: February 16, 2021, 09:44:34 AM »
A few projects slated to start around us have been delayed, but several others have started anyway, and the ones already going didn't stop with one exception.

There are five large projects going on in easy walking distance, but large, I mean they are the size of a city block, one has a smaller footprint.

These are all multiuse, residential, hotel, retail, and office.


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12533 on: February 16, 2021, 09:50:12 AM »
I've been in the industry since 1984, and I've never seen as much construction as I'm seeing right now.

During a pandemic, no less.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12534 on: February 16, 2021, 09:52:20 AM »
Confirmation of what we already knew.


WHO finds signs Wuhan COVID-19 outbreak 500% bigger in December 2019: CNN (businessinsider.com)

Has someone threatened to cease funding and now they're coming clean?
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12535 on: February 16, 2021, 11:58:05 AM »
probably just political and not trying to make one person or party look bad

you know, the person who threatened to cease funding?

that all the further I'm going with that
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12536 on: February 16, 2021, 02:18:56 PM »
C'mon let us have it warts and all
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12537 on: February 16, 2021, 03:27:15 PM »
not on this thread

Utee is already annoyed by the unusually wintery weather in his neck of the woods
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12538 on: February 16, 2021, 06:26:51 PM »



The other reason that the narrative was busted is the excess deaths. Just look at the chart halfway down this page...

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm

The CDC tracks deaths. It's seasonal by nature and goes a little higher during the winter months. But they have trend lines and know roughly, in a large country of 330M people, how many people are expected to die each year/week/month.

You can, in fact, see a blip of excess deaths in the winter of 2017-18, which corresponds with the worst flu season in the last decade. And then you see, starting in Mar 2020, a consistent trend WELL above the line that persists today. If you look at the shape of the graph, that shows an Apr/May peak, a summer mini-peak, and then another major peak around the holidays--exactly what COVID graphs look like.





Similarly, using "excess mortality rates" as quantified into P-Scores by the below linked study I found, it's VERY evident COVID-19 drastically lifted overall death numbers across the board. 

"The P-score is defined as excess deaths as a percentage of ‘normal’ deaths. For weekly data, ‘normal’ deaths are often defined as the previous five-year average of the same weeks. ‘Normal’ death rates reflect persistent factors such as the age composition of the population, the incidence of smoking and air pollution, the prevalence of obesity, poverty and inequality, and the normal quality of health service delivery. An advantage of the P-score is that it takes into account such differences in ‘normal’ deaths between countries or regions."



Study starts by listing reasons why U.S. should've been better prepared, ready, and ultimately experienced lower excess mortality rates than Europe - reasons such as: more time to prepare, younger population, and lower population density. Study defines statistical uses before comparing U.S. values to Europe. Study concludes excess mortality rates are worse, questioning "why the US, with its technical and institutional capabilities and other advantages cited, was far less effective in its response to COVID-19 than Europe?"

My knee jerk reaction is to believe that as a whole America is a much sicker, more unhealthy nation than we realize. Although we smoke less tobacco, to compare to Europe, Americans are more overweight, suffer higher rates of diabetes, eat more red meat, drink more sugary, acidic energy drinks, and most of all, lead the world in (ab)use of highly addictive benzodiazepines prescriptions (Xanax, Klonopin, Valium) which risks the population later defaulting to equally addictive Adderall, Ambien and ultimately Heroin and Meth.  

https://voxeu.org/article/us-excess-mortality-rate-covid-19-substantially-worse-europe-s -

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12539 on: February 17, 2021, 05:24:16 AM »
I suspect the weight factor ALONE is sufficient to explain much of the disparity.  When I travel in Europe for a month, my brain "adjusts" to seeing thin people.  When I return, I'm struck by the difference.  In our local neighborhood, most folks are young and in fairly good shape, but if we drive to the 'burbs' or I go to Walmart, holy cows.

Obesity leads to diabetes, heart disease, the rest.  And I need to lose weight.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12540 on: February 17, 2021, 07:53:53 AM »
not on this thread

Utee is already annoyed by the unusually wintery weather in his neck of the woods
Ya but it has kind of a mellowing effect
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12541 on: February 17, 2021, 08:40:29 AM »
being w/o power for more than 12 hours doesn't mellow most folks

well, folks I know
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12542 on: February 17, 2021, 09:20:50 AM »
U.S. reaches 500,000 reported deaths:


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12543 on: February 17, 2021, 09:27:16 AM »
I like the 18.5 Million recovered better, so I'm gonna hold on to that.
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